Ep 106: Farewell Mr. Nice Guy- MNG (Full Transcript)

Jey (00:17.806)

they're excited I'm excited welcome into another episode of the Young Dad podcast excited to be with you happy to be with you happy healthy thriving all the things before we jump too far into the podcast today I do just want to invite and encourage and twist your arm just a little bit to go down to the description of the episode no matter where you're watching YouTube rumble

Spotify, if you're listening on Apple or any other audio only platform, all the descriptions are the same. Very top of that, there's a link to subscribe to the email newsletter. Please go and subscribe to the email newsletter. Comes out twice a week. Great things are in there. You get the first divs on the links to the episode. You get dad hacks, dad advice, mental health tips. You get all the things within that newsletter between the two of them. So it's super great. It's a great little resource. So please subscribe. It's free. It doesn't cost you nothing.

I'm not trying to get an email list to sell it off or anything like that. So please subscribe and enjoy the newsletter. So that's all I got at the top. So without further ado, let me introduce our guest today. I'm Mr. Nice Guy on the show. Mr. Nice Guy, you run the podcast Farewell, Mr. Nice Guy, a podcast about fatherhood, navigating the court system, and a variation of other topics. And that's pretty much the gist of it.

So tell us about you tell us about the podcast tell us about the origins of it And yeah, tell us about you as a dad, too

MNG (01:45.123)

Yeah.

MNG (01:55.363)

Okay, well, you can call me MNG. Like, Mr. Nice Guy, I love it. So the podcast, so Fairway with Mr. Nice Guy came about. I was, my mom had actually told me that I should start a podcast. And I had did previous podcasts. I was on this one podcast called Skip the Formalities. And then I was managing and producing that one with a group of friends.

And we were kind of playing around. So we did about like 40 episodes there. And I kind of fell in love with the podcast type of thing because we was already doing it in a circle. We were getting a circle, had these conversations and it'd be really in -depth conversations. And somebody one day was like, well, we should just start a podcast. And I was like, okay, cool. So it took a few months for us to actually get together. We got together and eventually it fell apart. So I was invited onto another podcast with another group of people.

And I really didn't care how they was doing their podcast. And I was like, okay, well, that's cool. But I still had that podcast bug. So my mom was like, well, you should go ahead and start your own podcast. I'm like, well, what am I going to talk about? I have nothing to talk about. And she was like, well, you love to talk. I'm like, okay, well. I was like, to have a GIF of Gab is good, but when you ain't got nothing to talk about, like, what are you going to talk about? So.

I was watching, I was looking at my son and I was like, man, I have a great story. I took custody of my son. I walked through the court system. I worked for the court system. So I had the best of both worlds to be able to go and tell your man how to either avoid or succeed in this system. So, Farewell Mr. Nice Guy was actually a blog site that I had.

where I was also telling my story on a blog site. So and one of the things, because I love to write. So I was typing out my story and I was like, the blog was the blog was good, but it wasn't getting traction. So I had the name, but it was a blog first. And then I was like, well, let me turn into a YouTube channel. Well, let me just turn into well, turn into Spotify first. Then I turn into a YouTube channel and it's like, all right, well, I know all of this production stuff like I was.

MNG (04:17.539)

I was doing cartoons first and I was producing my cartoons. So I knew all the production value, knew all that stuff. And then it was like, okay, well, now you can apply this to a YouTube channel. You could tell your story. And I just have been having a blast with telling my story, meeting other individuals that are in the same situation or have been, have been associated with some situation or the system. And they've been able to tell their stories and building that network.

And it's been such a joy and a pleasure to be a part of a network where I felt alone for so many years. If that makes sense.

Jey (04:57.23)

Mm -hmm. No, 100 % definitely does make sense because I've been there. I've been through it. I've been through a divorce. I've been through navigating the court system. I've been through it in a couple different ways now three years later, three years removed from where it initially started. And initially, it was just me going to court, going through all the court motions, things like that that you have to do.

And now in my job, I've worked for the last year. I work in mental health. I work with youth and families. And so I've had the opportunity to go and support families in court. So I've been on like the other side, kind of seeing it through this outside lens, outside looking in, being able to sit in the courtroom during these different trials and these hearings and hear it go down essentially in real time, different situations, what it looks like, how it plays out.

you know, helping families get their ducks in a row, essentially, their court paperwork together. So I've seen it really interesting now. And it's a it's a lonely road to walk. It's scary. It's scary at the same time because it's.

How do you, how do I even say it? Like it's scary because...

Jey (06:18.318)

It's scary for fathers, you know what I mean? Like it's scary for fathers because you don't know what's going to happen. You hear stories your entire life pretty much and it's something that you honestly, at least for me, you try to avoid no matter what because you don't want to do it because you know what's likely going to happen. Especially when you take the political aspects of it, you add politics into it and everything like that.

MNG (06:24.771)

Right.

Jey (06:44.878)

You look at and then you just like zoom in even further. You look at your local level. You look at your local landscape, your local community, what the outcome likely could be based on your county that you live in. You zoom in that far. And it's terrifying for a dad to go through that process because A, no one educates you on how to do it. B, no one tells you how expensive it's going to be. You hear different stories.

MNG (07:09.763)

Nope.

Jey (07:15.982)

And see, no one tells you how mentally draining it's going to be. No one tells you how much time you're going to need to take off work. No one tells you how much paperwork you're going to need to do. No one tells you how hard it is to find an attorney to represent you. No one tells you how much that attorney costs off of that. There's no like guide to it to say like, look, this is how much an attorney should cost. If they're trying to charge you more than this, they're trying to screw you.

And then when you are talking to attorneys, there's so many out there that are just shady. You know what I mean? Like some are out there like, oh, so we're trying to take her down. We try to screw over. We try to do this, that, or the other to him hurts. Like, I just want to be able to see my kids, you know? Kind of thing, so.

MNG (08:00.291)

And, and let me tell you this. So when I, now I started my case against me or myself, I started, I started my own case. Okay. And you would think that because I started my case, I would be the plaintiff, right? No, I started my own case and I became the defendant. How does a defendant start their own case against them? So when I did go get an attorney and try to have a conversation with the attorney,

When we get to court, he didn't say nothing. The judge primarily talked to me. He just stood there and I'm like, so I paid you $1 ,500 to come and stand in this nice suit you're wearing for nothing. The most he did was broker a conversation with my son's mother to tell her that she should let him come along with me. And the only thing she wanted was $100 a month just to release custody.

And that was it. And he did nothing. That's about the only thing he of value that he did for $1 ,500. And without that, I'd probably be standing there still arguing in court. So I don't believe that you need an attorney to go to court. But I do believe that you need an attorney for advisement. They can advise you on what you need to do. But the problem with advisement is that they're going to charge you to come in and have a conversation. When you go in there and have the conversation,

Jey (09:15.47)

100%.

Jey (09:19.918)

I agree with that.

Jey (09:26.734)

Mm -hmm.

MNG (09:29.475)

You need to have all your documentation, all your ducks in a row, and you need to be able to know the terminology and the process. Now, unfortunately, for whatever state you're probably in, if you do go down to the county clerks or whomever is handling your case, they're probably not going to tell you the process because they may consider it legal advice. Oh, we can't tell you the process because it's legal advice. It's not legal advice to tell somebody the process of what's happening. You know the process when you get a ticket.

Jey (09:47.406)

Mm -mm.

MNG (09:59.011)

You speed, you get a ticket, you either gonna pay it or you gonna go in front of the magistrate or whomever. And then if you don't like the decision, you can appeal it and then you can go up to a judge. That's the process. You know what happens when you go and vote. They send you a card, ask you to go and vote, you go vote, they tell you what you need to fill out, you slip it in here, and then you go about your business. It's simple, right? But when you're going through the court system,

Jey (10:25.454)

Mm -hmm. No, 100%.

MNG (10:29.859)

They will not tell you the process on what's going to happen to you. They can't tell you a decision, but they're going to tell you, hey, this is the paperwork that you may want to fill out if you're trying to do this. This is what emotion does. This is, they don't tell you terminology. They don't tell, that's not legal advice to tell you that stuff. It's the process. That's all it is. It's the process. I've worked in the court system and they're, if telling somebody the process is legal advice and they need to go and get an attorney.

then it is like, why would people go to school for law?

Jey (11:07.438)

Right?

MNG (11:08.259)

to learn the law, they do mock trials, and all of that stuff. It's crazy to me because they disarm you so you can't be able to go in there and defend yourself.

Jey (11:23.022)

Exactly. And I personally didn't have an attorney when I went through my divorce and parenting plan and family court and all that. Because I for whatever I had, I handled my own case. I handled all my paperwork. I handled all my getting all my signatures, filling out all my paperwork, understanding it. I didn't have no problem with it. That was just me. My case, it wasn't that complicated. I knew what I was doing.

It was more or less am am am likable, am applicable, whatever the hell that word is. Words are hard sometimes. But no, you're right. Like I remember going down to the county clerk's office or I hear about it now with work and the work I do with other with other people, their families. It's like I went down to the county clerk's office just to ask what document I needed. And they're like, oh, well, I can't tell you that because legal advice. Like what? It's just.

MNG (12:02.499)

Yeah, they are.

Jey (12:21.102)

Can you just give me the piece of paper? Like I'll pay you for it. Like, just give me the piece of paper I need or just give me the packet. I know I see the fucking papers right there behind you. Like I know they're right there. I've been here before and gotten them. So what's the problem this time? And it's like it's not it's not legal advice to just give someone a piece of paper and say, here you go. This is the documents you need. That's literally your job is to give paperwork, receive paperwork and file paperwork.

MNG (12:23.459)

Exactly.

MNG (12:32.035)

Thank you.

MNG (12:46.531)

Literally.

Jey (12:49.582)

That's literally your whole job and collect a couple payments here and there. That's it. I don't need you to tell me all this stuff. You just got to point you hand me the piece of paper. Tell me what courtroom to go to air point me or give me the number to whoever I need to call next to set this up. That's all I need from you. I'll figure it out from there if I have to. But just the point fact that you can't even give me the paperwork.

Like, come on. You're gonna make me go online and research? It's ridiculous.

MNG (13:20.739)

It sounds.

MNG (13:24.835)

It sounds so simple, but yet so difficult. And I understand giving legal advice could get you in trouble. I get that. But if I'm saying, look, I want to file, I want to sue somebody. I want to file this case. You can't tell me whether it's going to be a small claims or a general civil just by process. You can say, well, they're general civil. This is how much you can sue for here. And then this is how much you can sue for here.

Jey (13:31.822)

Absolutely.

MNG (13:54.051)

And this is the process. That's not legal advice. That's instructions.

Jey (13:58.542)

Yes, or just give you a piece of paper slide you a little piece of paper through the windows like well these are the different kind of claims And it says it right there on that little piece of paper side -by -side comparison. I could make that document I can make that document with chat GPT if I really wanted to you know to

MNG (14:11.939)

Exactly. Matter of fact, they'll give it to you in a pamphlet. They'll give it to you in a pamphlet, but they won't tell you. And it's the same information in a pamphlet. So you could pass a pamphlet out, but you can't tell me.

Jey (14:21.134)

Mm -hmm. I say.

Jey (14:26.862)

Yeah, we you have to tell them what you need is specifically like you need this specific document titled this thing titled, you know, whatever, whatever, thirty one point six point two point five, whatever you need, these different documents for this specific thing. And then they'll hand you it once you tell them the specifics of what you're looking for, then they'll give it to you. But no, they won't they won't just ask you.

further questions to try to help the process make it easier, which is ridiculous as a whole. Because if you got a ticket and you needed to appeal it, oh, they're going to tell you all the things you need to know for that.

MNG (14:59.555)

Exactly.

MNG (15:10.947)

Exactly. Exactly. They'll tell you when you gotta pay a warrant.

Jey (15:14.766)

So.

Jey (15:18.542)

Oh yeah, they'll tell you for sure when you gotta pay your warrant.

MNG (15:21.827)

And they'll tell you the whole process to get that money, but they won't tell you how to beat, how to try to beat the system or even try to start your case, file a motion, anything. Like it's ridiculous on, it's ridiculous the information that they keep from you in order to collect money. And the funny part about it is that when he was talking about child support court, it's a state case. You know, the state has to initiate this case.

Jey (15:24.046)

Mm -hmm.

MNG (15:48.675)

against you so they don't want you to have the information. They don't want you to win. You know, they want to be able to collect what they paid out. All it is is a debt collection system.

Jey (15:58.766)

Yeah, it's all money man. It's all it's all money. It's all Tied back to money in one way shape or form Which shouldn't really be a shock to anyone

Jey (16:18.254)

But it's just kind of the way it is, unfortunately. It all, it all ties back to money in some way, shape or form. It's all, if you follow it far enough, you follow it back deep enough, it is what it is. So it sucks. And then child support never really makes sense to me, at least. You know, I have people I've worked with at work that end up having 50 -50 with their significant, with their, uh,

their ex and they're still paying child support but they have 50 -50 custody. It's like if you are parenting and doing just as much as they are, that shouldn't be a thing.

MNG (17:00.675)

It shouldn't be.

Jey (17:01.966)

And then on top of that, like child support is used for the kid. How often do you see in social media child support being used and abused the wrong way?

MNG (17:14.754)

Often, very often. So the thing with that 50 -50. So it's funny because we're doing a live this weekend on equality. And one of the questions that I brought up was, what is 50 -50? There are relationships out there where they want 100 % on a man, no 50 -50.

Jey (17:15.758)

often.

Jey (17:27.31)

Yeah, I see that.

MNG (17:45.827)

When the man pay everything, we want 50 -50 and everything, all that. But then when you get into divorce and everything, and the divorce is not considered 50 -50, because the man is going to get castrated in court because the woman's pretty much going to take everything, which is the crazy part. Then you have the child support system where it's not going to be 50 -50. And the calculation...

I asked, I remember asking about asking the judge about the calculation of child support, you know, even trying to look the calculation up and the calculation is difficult and it all and they say, well, it goes on based on how much you pay. I mean, well, how much you make. Okay. So it goes based on how much I make. So she makes more than me. I still have to pay child support, but in obvious, in some situations it's a little different now, but in some situations,

Jey (18:34.638)

Uh -huh.

MNG (18:40.931)

If I'm making more than her, I'm still going to pay out the majority of child support. And more likely this person probably not working or decided to stay in a low income job because they decided they're going to probably leave eventually and not excel more just so they could be able to get more money out of alimony and child support. First of all, I don't even understand alimony. Like, why am I keeping up your lifestyle and you the one decided to leave? You're leaving.

Jey (19:03.086)

Uh -uh.

Jey (19:07.31)

Exactly.

MNG (19:08.899)

And I got to pay you alimony. That makes no sense. I think there needs to be a reform of the child support system. I think there needs to be investigations into both parents' lives to determine who is the best suited parent to take care of the child and who should be paying child support because there's no way that the child should just automatically go with the mother and the father is not even considered in a conversation.

not even considered. That makes absolutely no sense. So like in my situation, when I got custody of my son, I didn't want child support for my son, mother. But what ended up happening is they ended up putting child support on her. And based on the money amount that she put down, we were only getting $40 a month. Compared to the hundred and forty dollars that I was paying a month. And she didn't even have him all the time. I had him five days out of the week.

sometimes seven and you're getting $140 a month to do what exactly? You're not even taking care of the child. Where is this money going? Where is this money going? To this day, and my son is about to be 18 this year, this day I still have money on the books that's old.

I still have money on the books right now that's old. And she's paying $40 a month. I think it's even less now.

MNG (20:41.219)

So what do you do with that?

Jey (20:41.39)

Yeah, I mean...

It makes no sense. Like how does someone that makes more...

pay less and the person that makes less pay more just because of their their role in all this because they're the father versus the mother. I absolutely agree with you that there needs to be a strict reform of child support because it makes no sense. It makes no sense. The calculations are impossible. Like I've seen the sheets, obviously. I don't understand how they calculate everything. There's like.

MNG (21:16.803)

I don't either.

Jey (21:21.006)

It doesn't make sense. Like if you look at it, you can pull it up online for your state. It's out there. You can search like your family court documents and search child support. It's like a breakdown or something or calculator or whatever. It makes no sense. I don't think it'll ever make sense, but it needs to absolutely be tracked on the back end. Once it's paid, I fully, I fully support.

MNG (21:40.483)

It doesn't.

Jey (21:50.734)

child support going on like the same kind of system like an EBT card or something, you know, where it's where it can go for clothes, food, diapers, formula, stuff like that to where it's absolute essential to take care of basic needs. You know, but you can't use it to maintain your household.

You know, it's not for paying your electric. It's not for paying your water bill. It's not for paying your rent kind of things like that. That's on you as a to me. That's on me as a parent. Right. Like I need to provide those things anyway. Like this child support is to support their basic needs, their food, their water, their clothes, their their things like that specifically for them to have enough to just to live, not to.

maintain my lifestyle, not to maintain that, because that's my choice. If it's my choice to live in a place that I realistically can't afford versus a place that I know I can't afford, well, I need to figure that out. That's not on me to rely on the court system to pay me for that kind of thing when I'm only having my kid half the time. No, I'm not. It doesn't make sense. Like, I'm not paying for you. And then if it is a thing that doesn't make no sense.

Talos Report should have a statute on it to where it's reevaluated every two years, to where there's a hearing every two, three years to say, hey, what are your incomes now? Where are you guys both at now? Oh snap, lady, you're making 20 ,000 more than you were, or you got married and now your household's bringing in this much? Oh, y 'all don't need it no more. We're taking that away from you kind of thing. Oh, you lost your job?

MNG (23:26.499)

Yeah.

MNG (23:40.899)

Yep.

Jey (23:46.99)

man and now you're but you're re -looking for a new job and you're trying and you've still been fighting and supporting your kids through and through. Oh, you also are providing these receipts that you paid for the yearbook. You paid for the extracurricular. You paid for the school picture. You paid for this, that and the other. She's not even holding up her end of the bargain to pay you half back. Like in my Venmo account, I have stuff from 2022 and 2023 that I still ain't got paid back the half for.

MNG (23:57.027)

Yeah.

MNG (24:05.539)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (24:16.622)

someone got paid back the half for it.

That's in our court paperwork that I have to get paid back to half. I know she got money. I know she got it. I know that her her between her husband, they got it. She's don't pay it. I'm like, this is like how long that's been in there. If I really wanted to be a dick, if I really wanted to do it, I could go take this evidence is clear evidence of you not paying and holding up your end and go hold you in contempt multiple times.

MNG (24:31.811)

and they let it ride.

Jey (24:49.518)

over for this kind of thing. If I really wanted to, I don't want to go through all that trouble and effort and stuff.

MNG (24:52.227)

Yeah.

And that's the thing. And that's the thing. I never really wanted to go back to court and file motions. And the reason why I didn't want to go back to court and file motions, and I could have done it, it would have been a problem, but it's the fear that if I go back to court, they're going to reverse the order. And my son goes back with her. And then I end up back on child support paying way more than I previously did.

Jey (25:05.198)

Mm -hmm.

MNG (25:24.867)

Why would I want to go and fight that battle? It's not worth the energy to go and fight that battle. Because I'm going to lose. That's the exact mindset. If she wanted to go and file a motion, they're going to make a whole hearing out of it. I go and file a motion. My assumption is, is once I walk into that courtroom, I'm going to lose. They're going to take my son back. And they're going to give him right back to her.

Jey (25:31.278)

Absolutely not.

Jey (25:47.022)

you're you already lost.

MNG (25:52.771)

And I'm right back on child support right where I started. And now I'm paying more because I'm making more. So now I'm going to pay more to the court system so they can get back all the money they got back on the books. So I just never, I just never went and everybody's like, go back to court and get more money. Hell no. I'm not about to go back to court and get more money. I don't even want to, I don't even want to test unless I know for sure I can go to court and win. I'm not even about to walk in there and even make an attempt.

Because it's not a fair playing ground at all. So the mindset to think that I'm going to go in there and win just because I've had Custy Young for 10 years, that's not existed. Because they'll switch it like that.

Jey (26:40.686)

They don't care about that. Mm -hmm. They'll turn it on you somehow. And it makes a lot of sense. Like, my brother -in -law, I'm just recently remarried at the time of this coming out and everything. Time of this recording, I'm not... I'm remarried now. Thank you. And my brother -in -law, he has a nine -year -old, my nine -year -old niece. She's the sweetest little girl. She's so sweet. He gets her Wednesdays after school.

MNG (26:58.787)

Congratulations.

Jey (27:09.806)

until she gets picked up and then every other weekend. And just when I see this little girl interacting with her dad, I'm like, man, this little girl wants her dad. This little girl craves being with her dad. This little girl wants to be with her with him more. And like she asked her mom, like, can I go over there this weekend? We're not doing anything. Can I go hang out with dad? Can I go over to to grandma and grandpa's or hang out over there? And I'm like, no, no, no. It's like, come on. And I'd like.

MNG (27:25.251)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (27:39.95)

like bro like we gotta we gotta figure this out like you haven't done anything that says otherwise that you that you aren't deserving of more of more time with this little girl like there's nothing that says it like I've seen it for a year now you are there every single weekend of your time you've never missed a day you've been sick you keep her you need to pick her up from school because her mom asked you're there

You need to do this for her, you're there. You need to do this for her, you're there. You support her in this way, you're there. Like you have fully and densum met your burden of input into like court terms. Like you have more. You've gone far and beyond the burden that was asked of you by the court. Like there is no way, shape or form that you shouldn't be entitled to more. I encourage him.

His dad encourages him. His mom encourages him. His sisters encourage him. We all have his back. We're like, we will all write statements tonight to do this tomorrow with you. I'm like, bro, I know how it works. I know what paperwork, I know what papers to fill out. Like I got you. Let's just do it. Like I know, I know how much you want this girl like in your life more. I know how much you, you miss her when she's not around.

and how much you want her to be around more and be with you more. Like you're in a good place right now. Like you have a home, like you're in a great relationship. Like everything is stable right now for you. Like the court can't find no holes in you right now for your parenting, for everything you've done. And he's just, he's hesitant to do it because he doesn't want to lose what he has. He doesn't want to get into a whole battle. He doesn't want.

it to blow up into something and affect her and it's like bro it's not it's hard because like yes I get that 100 % like would I go back tomorrow and start fighting for my kids to be with me 75 % of the time absolutely would I want to get to 100 % absolutely um do I see the value in that than being with me versus her absolutely um

Jey (29:57.742)

But again, that's really hard because there's so many factors and everything in there. So I don't want to take that away. And I understand that part of it, too, because I've been there. I feel that same way. But at the same time, like she deserves to be with her dad as much as she's with her mom and experience that as she gets older. You know, she's nine going on or eight going on nine. So she's only getting older and more and more into those years where she needs her dad.

to be around more, not once a week and then on weekends, every other weekend, you know, five days a month kind of thing. She needs more. She needs more than that. And if anything, the kids are entitled to that. Not so much the parents, but the kids are entitled to have equal access to both parents. The kids are entitled to...

be with their parents if they are able to and very obviously able to show that they can do it, you know, as much as they can. Consent laws in our state, I believe a child has to be 12 or 13 and then they can speak for themselves who they want to go and be with more or less kind of thing. So part of it is, you know, she's only a couple years away from that and then she can, you know, speak for herself in that way and.

MNG (31:12.099)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (31:24.078)

So it's just hard, it's such a fine line, but the kids deserve it. It gets so caught up in the systematic stuff to where it's system says this thing, because system needs money, system needs to keep going, system needs to push out the agendas of those set before it kind of thing. The system don't care about the kid at the end of the day. Occasionally they do. The system cares more about...

mothers and keeping fathers out of homes, keeping fathers out of the picture because that keeps the cycle going. We're three generations into this now, almost four generations into this cycle, if not more. You can go back even further to early presidencies before slavery was abolished in the US. The government

Lyndon B. Johnson, a perfect example, tried to keep people down. Don't teach women how to read. Don't teach slaves how to read because if you teach them literacy, they get power and they're not reliant on the government anymore.

MNG (32:35.075)

I agree. I agree.

Jey (32:35.854)

And it's just, it was just how it happened. And then they pushed that Lyndon B Johnson. Same thing. If we remove fathers out of the home and we give the mother's welfare and incentivize incentivize them to be on their own and we pay them, then they rely on us. Then it's perfect. They're always rely on us. Their kids will rely on us. Their kids will rely on us. Their kids, kids, kids, kids will always rely on us.

because we set that precedent that, oh, well, you have to rely on the government for this stuff. You have to if you want to get it, cool. And there's a video. I can't remember where I seen it, but. This lady saying that she was dating this older this older man, she's African -American, her man, she was dating for 10 plus years. Was had a lot of money. And.

Sure enough, when all the bills were due, he would pay the bills. He would pay the bills, but he would never give her a dollar more or a cent more than she needed because he knew it would keep her coming back. Same with welfare kind of thing. It would keep it keeps you coming back because it provides you just enough. But not too much.

MNG (33:47.267)

Right.

Jey (33:58.542)

keeps you coming back, keeps you reliant on them so that then they can launder money out all over the place else. But why fix the issues here? Why go down into the hoods and fix issues in the hoods? Go give these, the people in the hoods, the money to overcome their poverty. When we have a poverty level of 41 % in the United States, highest in the world, 41%.

of Americans are living under the poverty line. 41%. Most other countries, 7 max. 34 % more than other first world countries. 34 % more than China, who is a leading economic. India, 6%. Like we, there's a difference, there's something wrong. That shows how big of an issue there is, or starts to show it.

MNG (34:34.659)

And.

MNG (34:57.538)

So when we look at poverty, and 41 % of poverty is extremely high. And I'm pretty sure the number of homeless people is probably around the same amount. So the government, if we just look at just recent situations, the government has billions of dollars and.

Jey (35:15.95)

Yeah.

MNG (35:25.699)

warheads and all that technology to send over to a country to help them fight a war, but don't have the necessary money to be able to build houses for homeless people. And...

Jey (35:38.222)

I don't even think the money ends up going over there. The money doesn't even end up going over there. Like it...

MNG (35:42.691)

It I think I think it ended up going over there. How they use it is completely different, but I think the money does go over there. Maybe maybe.

Jey (35:49.838)

I think it goes over and then it comes back into their pockets in one way, shape or form. Like it goes out, gets dispersed, and then it comes back into their pockets. It's just laundered. It's just money laundering.

MNG (35:59.619)

It's a trade agreement. So we'll give, so they say we give you money, but you got resources that we can get from you. And we're going to get them resources from you for free because we already gave you money for your war. So now we're going to take the resources and make double, triple than what we just gave you to fund, to pay for your war. So that's how that works. You know, even when Bush was in office and they went over there,

to fight in the Middle East for, they wanted that oil. They wanted that oil. So yeah, we're gonna go over there and we're gonna start this war because we wanna get that oil. And then once we go ahead and occupy it, we gonna put the oil for free.

Jey (36:45.326)

Some of that oil be real nice right now with them gas prices going back up just saying just saying if we could get some of that back a little bit

MNG (36:48.931)

Ha ha!

I don't know about that. I think gas prices are still going to be high because, and even jumping back to poverty, if we look at it, we live in such a capitalistic country that you have people that make a lot of money.

Jey (37:00.846)

Yeah, of course.

MNG (37:12.515)

Regardless of what they're doing so far, well, not regardless of what they're doing, but if they're entrepreneur and they're building a business or they're part of a big business, they're making money. The problem is, is that that money is not trickling down towards people. People that own businesses in some cases, especially if they have a successful business, can pay a living wage. But because this is a capitalistic country, because they're greedy, I'm going to pay my employees $15 an hour, but I'm going to pay myself.

50, 60, $70 an hour to come in, run a business and hear the conversations of my employees struggling and then go drive off in my Benz. That, come on now, that's rude. I recently, not recently, but a few years ago I seen a video of a young lady that had a business and she paid all her employees a living wage as well as herself. And it was equal amongst all the employees.

And people were kind of asked like, well, how can you do that? And it's like, well, if you look at it, once all my expenses and everything is paid, what I have left over in profits, and then I go down and break it down into my wages, I can pay everybody a living wage and I can live comfortably. They can live comfortably. Why are they paying struggling wages? Just like with the strike. So we are, let's talk about the economy. So we already, if we look at the economy,

We already know that the wage gap and rental and mortgage prices are completely separate. Inflation and the recent inflation has really, really show the wage gap between those that make money and those that don't and what happened to the economy. Now, we take that a step further. You throw, let's just say we throw child support in there. So they, so you making a thousand dollars. They taking.

500 from you because they want to take half your check for some odd reason as if you can't survive. So there's a 50 -50 right there. So you're already taking half my check and giving it away. Now I got to figure out how I'm going to pay the mortgage with interest rates going with a mortgage or rent with those prices going up. Then I got to figure out how I'm going to pay for groceries because inflation into the groceries up. I got to figure out how I'm supposed to pay a $800, $900 car note so I can get back and forth to work. And then if I stop paying child support, I end up getting a felony.

MNG (39:40.451)

So now I got a felony and I can't go get a job nowhere else.

So, you're putting a stranglehold on a man to where they want to be able to provide, but the only way they're going to be able to provide is if either you work a really great job and you got help like a spouse or something like that, or you live in somebody's basement.

trying to go ahead and pay these bills, try to pay this debt for 18, this recurring debt for 18 years until you can get back on your feet. Or at least come to some kind of time. So look, and I know that was a lot, but look, just looking at all of those parameters, there's no, there's really no ironclad way for companies.

to sit here and pay low minimum, low wages when you got CEOs and everybody flying on private jets.

Jey (40:44.206)

Mm -hmm. Yeah, there ain't no reason for it because it It hurts like going back to the whole the court system, they're trying to take half your check Who does that hurt? Who does that hurt the most? Hurts the kids the most But they seem the system seems again. The system doesn't really care The system wants to do what benefits it because guess what when you pay half that check guess what they get to tax it It's taxable income for them

MNG (40:56.995)

Thank you.

Jey (41:13.454)

And they get to keep their part and they get to make money off of it. And they're continuing to make money. They're making money. They're making money. That's what's important. They have to make money. That's what they're all about. And it's unfortunate because if you're hurting a parent for child support, even if you all both have 50 -50, but if you're taking money out of that, because you're both going to see the kid the same amount of time, right?

You want them to be as successful as both of them, as both the houses can be, right? So that your kid is as successful between both houses as they can be.

But if you are taking money, if she's taking money out of your pocket, how successful is your house gonna be?

because that's only going to hurt your kid because that's the money that you could and probably would be using just to provide for basic needs for food, gas, groceries, things like that just for the kids basic needs. You ain't doing it to go on no big trip. You ain't trying to go to Disneyland or nothing like that. You know, it's it's just like, I'm just trying to get by out here. Like, I'm just trying to pay my car, try to pay my rent, try to pay my.

MNG (42:03.779)

Not successful at all.

MNG (42:12.163)

Exactly.

MNG (42:22.467)

Nah.

Jey (42:29.966)

Try to pay groceries for gas for all the things insurance maybe I'm trying to pay for a gym membership that they can go to to and enjoy and Get benefit out of that because it's good for them or maybe I'm trying to pay for this one program for them to have an outlet or an extracurricular kind of thing and That's all I'm trying to do. But if you're taking money out of that other person's pocket Then that stuff can't happen like it's like oh well shoot kid wants to do this and

You know, they want to play football and it's $500 for the season. Each person's got to pay half. It's like, well, I can't afford half because you've taken that half.

MNG (43:09.507)

You taking a half. So if you already... So I know for a lot of men that pay child support, their mindset is, well not a lot of men, but for some men that pay child support, their mindset is, if I'm paying child support, why do I need to do anything extra?

Jey (43:10.35)

And so guess what? Now my kid can't play football.

you

Jey (43:28.334)

Mm -hmm.

MNG (43:30.147)

I don't need to do anything extra. I don't need to provide any more money. I don't need to pay for activities because all that stuff is paid for because I pay child support. So I got to pay child support and I'm an active parent, so now I got to do extra?

Jey (43:36.078)

Exactly.

MNG (43:45.379)

So then that doesn't incentivize the man to want to stay around because it's like, okay, well, I want to be a parent, but you've taken so much from me that I can't do anything as a parent, as you just stated. I can't do anything as a parent because they take all the money, but then you want to say, well, yeah, we need a half for the soccer tournament or whatever. Okay, well, I don't have it. I just gave you $500 in child support. Why I don't get to see all that money?

Jey (43:45.614)

Mm -mm.

MNG (44:15.043)

That's not a problem, Mom, of mine. I paid the child support to support the child. So you have to figure it out. At this point, I'm just pick up and drop off service at this point.

Jey (44:26.83)

Mm -hmm. Exactly. Exactly. So if you're paying that child support and you're paying that amount, it goes to support the child, which means it has to be regulated in some way, shape, or form. And if it's for an extracurricular, that probably isn't going to fall under what can be accessed on that card. So that's something that both people, I mean, it would be worth it. Like, I would still pick up the phone and make that call and be like, hey,

MNG (44:29.187)

That's it.

Jey (44:55.054)

You know, I approve of having $300 off the child support card to go toward paying for this specific thing under this specific title. Like I'm OK with that. Like she she would essentially have to motion with the child support office to say, hey, part of this needs to go to football and I need it to be made available to pay for this thing.

OK, cool. Let us call the provider. Oh, you didn't know about that? OK, now we're going to kind of thing, which then forces the communication and then, OK, cool, we can do that verse. And then if it's if it's tracked and then they will only allow those funds to be released, it's like their their own bank. Essentially, they see the pending charge.

MNG (45:38.115)

You know, I like that idea.

Jey (45:51.438)

XYZ middle school athletics. Cool. That me at the child support office. I'm going to call down to XYZ school. Hi, this is so and so from the child support office. I'm calling to confirm the payment for little Susie or little Johnny to play x y to play football this year. Are they on the team? Yes. Was this payment made with x?

MNG (46:03.011)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (46:20.238)

111 card ending in this number. Yes. Okay. Who was made by? It was made by so and so. Okay. Perfect. Do you have consent from both parents? Okay. Cool. Yes. Cool. I'm approving the charge right now. Bada bing, bada boom. There you go. Like you have to regulate this stuff. You have to regulate it or it gets abused and it has to be just a hard, a hard cold turkey snap. Nope.

You have to come down to the DCYF office or DSHS office or whatever office, CPS office. April 1st, you have to come pick up your card. If you don't come pick it up, you don't have access to your funds. Your funds will be preloaded onto this preloaded debit card. The restrictions on this are you can only spend it here, here, here, here, here, like an EBT.

MNG (46:59.971)

Yep.

Nah, I -I -

MNG (47:10.627)

Now, I like that idea. And I'll take it a step further. Like, they don't have like they don't even need a call service to confirm it. You know, it could just be just a just a text message to the other party saying, hey, do you do you do you agree to authorize this purchase for her to get her nails done? Hell no. I'm not authorizing that purchase. Do you authorize this purchase for, you know, cap and gown?

Jey (47:33.326)

Hell no. No. Exactly.

MNG (47:38.723)

Yep, I'm an authorized person for Capigown. This is where I want the money to go to. You know, I think that.

Jey (47:40.206)

Mm -hmm. Yeah, to see you can see where that transaction comes from like it pops up as like a message and Do you authorize this payment? Hell? No, I'm not gonna authorize hair and nails Do you authorize this payment? But when it says something like Clothing purchase. It's like no I want I want the receipt like send me the receipt Kind of thing make sure it's kid clothes make sure it's a transaction like

MNG (47:47.075)

Yep.

Jey (48:07.694)

It would take a big overhaul of even like POS system. Kind of like when you swipe your... No, maybe probably not even that big of an overhaul. Like when you swipe your EBT card, it will only allow the certain items... Or as far as I know for EBT, I don't have the EBT, but... Did when I was a kid and stuff growing up. It only allows certain items to be paid for. So essentially it takes that, takes those items off, charges it to that card. And then you swipe your other card for all the rest of your stuff.

MNG (48:34.339)

you.

Jey (48:36.174)

It would be the same for the child support card to where it's like a kid's clothes are, you know, they, they allow for the code, you know, basic food essentials. They allowed for the code steak, lobster, no chance ground beef. Absolutely. Or it's like when she tries to go use that child support card to go buy something extravagant on the time where she doesn't have the kids, she swipes it. It's like, Oh yeah. I'm gonna get me some steak. I'm gonna get me something good to eat.

MNG (48:37.059)

Yeah, so.

MNG (48:48.579)

Yep.

Jey (49:06.35)

denied why well a you don't have a kid here be using this car see this is an authorized purchase so sorry

MNG (49:18.019)

Yeah, that I think that's a good idea with some with a little bit more refinement. You know, I think it'd be great. I think it'd be great with a little bit of refinement. I think it'd be great because what happened, the fact that some women are having more kids to get more child support and they're constantly petitioning the child support court for more money and then taking that money.

while possibly living on Section 8. You know, I'm not saying all of them do. You know, I'm not trying to put out every woman out there, but there's quite a few out there living on Section 8, you know, consistently having kids to have to get more and more money so they don't have to do anything. You know, they're buying themselves clothes. They're buying themselves, you know, the latest hairstyles and the most expensive wigs and the most expensive whatever they're buying with that money.

and the kids are getting the bare minimum treatment and they just run around the house while they out here looking like a supermodel. That's unfair. And then they file taxes and get all the money back for them kids, complete deductions, and then probably barely even work throughout the year. How does that make sense? How you get $10 ,000 and you ain't work to pay not one tax?

Jey (50:24.974)

Mm -hmm. 100%.

Jey (50:39.022)

Mm -hmm.

MNG (50:44.643)

but you about to get 10 ,000 because you got three, four kids.

Jey (50:47.278)

Uh huh.

Exactly it's and Then on top of that you take that a step further you take it a step further and then she might be running around her look like supermodel kids are in clothes from Goodwill and then the dads out here wearing the freaking Three same five pairs of underwear that have holes in them that are barely hanging on by threads and He can't afford to go get new underwear because he knows to have the money. He barely has the money to make a peanut butter and jelly

MNG (50:50.083)

That's ridiculous to me. I've heard the stories.

MNG (51:11.971)

Oh.

Jey (51:18.638)

He barely has the money to get his gas in the car to get to work, to keep up with this stupid cycle so he doesn't catch a felony, like you said. And it's just such a vicious, terrible cycle that when is it going to end? When is it going to be something that catches on? Because it has to be regulated. It can be very easily regulated. We regulate EBT. You already have the framework.

You already have the framework to do this. Do the same for child support. It's not going to take that much to go and print some cards and you. It'll take you 30 days, print all these cards, call up everybody. Hey, you can even stagger it. The first 10th, the first 5th, 10th and the 15th to do it in waves so it doesn't overwhelm the office. You know, A through E, call the last names. Hey, you need to come get your child support card on.

MNG (51:53.507)

That's it.

It won't.

Jey (52:17.454)

between April 1st and April 4th. If not, you're going to have to wait till May to come and get it.

MNG (52:24.867)

Yeah, I agree. I think something needs to be built in. Or, you know, they can use the EBT system and just create, because they already got EBT food, cash, and then just make an extension onto that. Yeah. I mean, if you're getting child support, you got that extension and you can use it, but it's used with restrictions to support the child.

Jey (52:25.39)

Boom.

Jey (52:40.11)

EBT child support. Yeah, you already got the framework.

Jey (52:52.206)

Mm -hmm. Yep.

MNG (52:54.403)

You know, you putting gas in your car to go to the club, that ain't supporting the child.

Jey (53:00.75)

Mm -hmm, and you can have a gas allowance on that too like there's an EBT cash form that you can use for gas Gas as far as I know I know this because I worked the circle case or worked in gas stations and whatnot so I know things that you can and can't get with EBT and it's unfortunate because like It kind of frustrated me and maybe this is like I don't know why frustrated me but

MNG (53:16.739)

Mmm.

Jey (53:26.894)

It's like if you're getting EBT and you're bringing your kids in, they're getting a freaking bug juice and you're getting four Red Bulls and you guys are getting candy and stuff. It's like, how is that stuff allowed on EBT? Like, what does that help for this situation? Kind of thing. You get in Red Bulls and caffeine and soda and chips and candy and snacks like. I get it, the gas station and the corporation wants that money because it's just it's money.

to them. That's all they see at the end of it is just sales. They don't care where it came from. But it's so...

MNG (53:58.659)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (54:07.118)

It's so gross to see just the abuse of these systems. How even the systems that are in place aren't regulated. Like EBT, you should be able to buy like sandwiches, you know, salads, soups, you know, the hot, you can't buy hot food on EBT.

Like someone can't come into a gas station and buy like a hot dog or a taquito or something with EBT. Cause it's hot. It has to be cold. You only can buy cold food with EBT. Which... Okay. I would rather someone buy a hot dog, which is going to at least give them something versus freaking three candy bars.

MNG (54:36.867)

Okay.

MNG (54:53.059)

That's true. That's true.

Jey (54:54.062)

Like let them get a piece of bread and a hot dog or two and at least have something that's going to keep them a little more full versus. Go ahead.

MNG (55:03.459)

But I know with the EBT, it pays for non -taxable items. So was the hot dog taxable?

Jey (55:10.702)

I think hot food is tacked. Maybe that's why hot food is tacked. I just know that you couldn't get hot food with it. Which always kind of didn't make sense. But again, it's still not regulated. It's like you can still get candy and chips and soda and Red Bull and all this stuff. It's like what? What is that helping? Like that don't...

MNG (55:36.963)

Not helping nothing at all.

Jey (55:38.222)

that don't help nobody, that's not helping this family. Like you're just allowing them to essentially, you know, I don't want to say poison themselves, but poison themselves.

MNG (55:49.187)

They're definitely poisoning themselves.

Jey (55:51.79)

And they're they're hurting themselves. Like, what does that candy going to do that $8 is spent on candy? They could have gone right up the road to the actual grocery store or around the corner to the grocery store and gotten $8 worth and gotten yourself a loaf of bread, a jar of peanut butter and made peanut butter sandwiches for three days kind of thing.

MNG (56:14.595)

And that can be, and that honestly could be another restriction right there. Like, okay, well, let's restrict those type of junk foods. Like, let's restrict it to like healthy foods for the most, well, not necessarily healthy foods, but grocery store foods for the most part. But restrict like little candy and all that stuff like that. Like, it gotta be healthy food. It can't just be non -healthy food that you're buying. Like, huh, take the EBT card, go up to the store and get some cookies or something.

Jey (56:24.878)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (56:38.158)

Exactly. And the grocery stores already do it.

Jey (56:44.334)

Right? No, and that's what that's what you can do with it. That's exactly what you can do with it. And again, you're so right. The more kids, the more you get. And so, again, it incentivizes the wrong things. Yes, we have a population shortage on the horizon. All the wrong people are having more kids. None of the right people are having kids, which is creating a big, which is creating a disparity.

in population growth and everything in our country. Our resources are quickly running out. Our resources are quickly running out. It's unfortunate. It's hard. And again, the grocery stores already do it. You go to Walmart, you go to Target, you go to... We have Winkos. You go to any grocery store, Safeway, Albertsons, whatever the grocery store you have near you is. They already have the signs.

MNG (57:23.811)

It is.

Jey (57:43.182)

for EBT, what's EBT approved? They already have a little sticker on the shelf with it. It's really not, it would not cost Walmart, Target, and these guys more. They already have the stickers, they have hundreds of them laying around. I worked at Walmart, I know this for a fact. You have a whole freaking bin of EBT stuff laying around. It would not take them much to go through each aisle and just mark EBT, EBT, EBT. If it doesn't have the EBT, can't get it. The system already knows, they literally have to click buttons.

on the corporate side and say like, this is EBT approved, this isn't, this isn't, this isn't. And so it restricts it. That's all they have to do. It's not that hard. It's not asking a lot. It's literally clicking buttons, which is what people in their corporate offices do anyway.

MNG (58:20.483)

But they'll...

MNG (58:27.491)

But they gonna lose money. But they gonna lose money.

Jey (58:32.078)

I think they would gain money because they can order those things more. They can sell those things more. They're going to sell those things at a higher clit. Less is essentially more in this aspect. I'm thinking from a retail aspect. Like if I know like EBT is now limited and I'm working in Walmart and I have creative insights over my end caps on the main action aisle or my displays.

Guess what? I'm ordering EBT stuff to put on those end caps. I'm ordering a whole freaking end cap of peanut butter that's approved. I'm ordering, I'm putting peanut butter and jelly on an end cap outside of the bread aisle. Cause guess what? I'm going to sell, I'm going to merchandise. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to maximize on this because I know that's the only things they can spend their money on. And I want them coming here to know like, a, they can get all their EBT approved stuff.

Maybe they can get one or two laundry items. OK, guess what? I'm ordering up on those laundry items to make sure I always have them in stock. Guess what? I'm ordering up on the body soaps that are that you can get on EBT or with child support. I'm ordering up on those 100 percent. No problem. We're going to increase our contracts there. Essentially, it creates opportunity for these companies that are on EBT because there's less competition and then. They can.

They can handle all their corporate meetings and be like, well, we're going to increase the price 20 cents then. Cool. They're all making 20 cents more. Everyone's making 20 cents more.

Essentially, it all pays for itself at the end of it. So I don't think they're going to lose money. I think they gain money because they have to sell the right products now. And it forces them to be more mindful of merchandising and stock and stock levels of all these things. And it creates a commodity. And then if you don't like what's on your EBT, guess what? Now you have to work to get off of it. Now you have to work.

Jey (01:00:35.886)

and you have to go do the things that you have to do to afford. If you don't like the store brand Great Value Soap, well guess what? You have to work to go get the Tide now. You have to work to go get the steak and the lobster and the stuff. You can get ground beef, ground chicken, ground turkey, maybe chicken breast, whatever is the EBT approved item.

MNG (01:00:46.307)

Okay.

Jey (01:01:00.558)

You want to get the more than that? Well, you have to earn it. You have to go and work for it. Like it shouldn't just be all these hands out. If you want the higher, the nicer stuff. Guess what? Now you're working. Now you're working to get off of it. And now we're creating a system that doesn't incentivize the poor behavior. It forces people to get to get going, to get moving in the right direction, to help get things back, to help get the system, the economy back on the rails.

Because essentially, if all these other companies want to compete with the EBT stuff that so many people are on, they would essentially have to kind of start lowering their prices essentially to try to compete with the average person. Because the average person, even though it's EBT approved, they can still buy it if they're not on it. They'd be like, oh, I'm just going to get that EBT on it because, you know.

MNG (01:01:50.979)

Right, right.

Jey (01:01:54.638)

I might feel a little bit bad, but that's the cheaper one. And they're like, well, everyone's buying that competition that's on the EBT. So either we need to get on that with them or we need to drop our price for the average, the other consumers, the other 60 % of people, whatever it is. If you're thinking 41%, 41 % is on the EBT and in this program, 60 % is not. We need to lower and make it attainable for the rest of the 60%. So we can stay competitive with the 40%.

And it starts to level out. I was just thinking like business mindset, working in retail kind of thing. So that's my thoughts on it.

MNG (01:02:32.515)

What? I hear what you're saying. And if we look at it from, okay, let's look at it from a capitalistic standpoint. So if we're saying that we're going to restrict certain foods to be bought, so now we're saying that, okay, so say we're going to say, well, you could buy Cheerios, but you can't buy Frosted Flakes. Okay, so now Frosted Flakes is going to lose out on money because Cheerios is approved.

So now I'm saying, well, you know, Kellogg, y 'all gotta come out with, you know, something to compete with Cheerios. And not saying that they don't have anything out there to compete with Cheerios, but, you know, a lot of people don't want to eat the shredded wheat. How many people out there buying shredded wheat cereal? You know, like I ain't even bought shredded wheat cereal.

Jey (01:03:13.55)

I think boomers.

Jey (01:03:17.87)

I think it's just boomers.

MNG (01:03:18.563)

So, so when we look at it, it all depends on what the restriction is. Like if we're saying, okay, all cereal can be bought. Nope, no problem. All right, cool. You know, whether it's, whether it's Frosted Flakes or Lucky Charms, whatever, all that stuff can be bought. But if you exclude the sugar, the high sugar,

And the hot sugar stuff, then it's like, all right, not only the healthy cereal is getting through, but not us. We can't make any money because now we're not included. And now we got to try to push our products to be included when we know our high value products is Kellogg's because they like how they taste. They like it's sugary and all that stuff like that. So now they're going to lose the end of the spectrum.

So now it's a fight to, okay, well, how do we get in and what do we push so we can go ahead and get on this list so we can be approved to be purchased? So then that's where that capitalism part comes in. And that's what Walmart will have to consider. And okay, we're losing money, but it's going to be other organizations that or other grocery stores are going to say, well, you can buy it over here. It's not restricted. Well, you can buy it over here because maybe they don't restrict it in their system.

Jey (01:04:19.662)

Mm -hmm.

MNG (01:04:40.131)

Okay, in their POS system, maybe they don't want you in their POS system. They say, well, you can go ahead and do it.

Jey (01:04:42.158)

Yeah, so it would have to be it would have to be a government thing at that point. It would have to be the government saying all grocery stores, all grocers. These are the approved items, which is then would force Kellogg Frosted Flakes, force them to a drop their prices to be competitive for the other 60 percent of the consumer to be affordable.

Make them rework their contracts with Walmart and Target and the big players in the grocery business to make sure that everyone's still making money and or To help create a system that helps push healthier people Like there's nothing wrong with creating a country that promotes health Like we are so afraid of the country to promote health to promote

MNG (01:05:33.731)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:05:33.742)

just natural organic health. You go and look at Europe, what do they eat all day? They eat bread and they're still in good shape. They're still in great shape because their bread doesn't have all the shit that our bread has in it. Their bread literally has flour, milk, eggs, butter, honey. It doesn't have sugar, triglycerides, preservatives, all this stuff. No, they just it's just bread. It's just wheat, flour, eggs.

MNG (01:05:46.563)

Exactly.

Jey (01:05:59.31)

Butter, milk, whatever the heck goes in bread. I don't know how to make bread up top my head, but.

MNG (01:06:06.243)

I'm gonna give me a bread maker later this year. I'll tell you.

Jey (01:06:08.526)

Oh, for sure. Let me get a bread maker. I want one so bad. I want one so bad because I want to make my own bread because I know it would taste better.

MNG (01:06:17.667)

I'm telling you, I am in the business of making a lot of my own stuff just to save money. Like I know bread not really that expensive, but if it's only gonna cost me 97 cents to make two pound loaf of bread, hey look, we in business. So like.

Jey (01:06:24.782)

Oh yeah.

Jey (01:06:35.79)

No, no, I do the same thing. Like I get the pancake mix, right? I get the cheap store brand pancake mix. My daughters love like little mini pancakes. The ones that come in the bag in the freezer. I was like, those are like five bucks a bag for like 60. Guess what? I can make 60 for less than a dollar. I can put cinnamon. I can put, I can put cinnamon. I can put, I can make those pumpkin spice. I can seasonal those things up. I can put sprinkles. I can put colors.

MNG (01:06:47.747)

Yeah.

MNG (01:06:51.523)

Yep.

MNG (01:06:55.139)

Yup.

Jey (01:07:03.79)

guess what I can make just I can make way more for way less that tastes way better kind of thing.

MNG (01:07:10.467)

Exactly. And we pay so much money for convenience. We pay so much money for convenience. And I think that's the downside of it all, is that convenience part. And we need to kind of get away from convenience because convenience costs us more money than paying for, like you said, just paying for the cheaper brand to do it ourselves or the unprocessed brand to do it ourselves.

Jey (01:07:19.79)

so much.

Jey (01:07:37.422)

Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Because we're afraid of that. We're afraid. We're afraid of losing that convenience because that's what's been pushed. Convenience, quick, easy, all those things. It's easier to eat out. Just go and eat out. It's fine. It's quicker. It's faster. It saves you time. You're a hardworking parent. You deserve it. Guess what? My bank account doesn't deserve it. My health doesn't deserve it. Like.

MNG (01:07:53.187)

Yup.

MNG (01:08:04.131)

Nope. Nope.

Jey (01:08:06.574)

I deserve to be able to work a job that I can buy the food and have time to come home and make the food that I wanted to. Like, I don't buy groceries just for fun. I don't buy groceries to let them go to waste. I buy the groceries to eat them, to make delicious meals because I like that, tastes better. But again, going back to all of it, essentially, if you restrict it,

MNG (01:08:15.619)

Exactly. Because the thing because.

MNG (01:08:22.947)

That's true. Facts.

Jey (01:08:34.702)

It forces all the other players to wake up and it forces us to rework and repush the agendas that matter. Right. Because if they're forced now, they can't market Frosted Flakes or Tony the Tiger. And now they have to push this other brand. Well, guess what? What you have to do because you need to now capture the 41 percent that's in poverty or.

MNG (01:08:45.314)

Yes.

Jey (01:09:02.446)

Guess what? You need to realign your values. You need to realign. It forces everyone essentially to realign and wake up and be like, oh crap, we with this, like we can't do nothing. Will it ever happen? Probably not, because everyone will lose too much money essentially. But I think everyone would gain way more out of it in the end than they would lose. I think it's just too scary for these companies to do because they don't want to risk it.

They don't want to risk losing the money. They don't want to risk their paychecks. They don't want to risk anything happening to them. And it's unfortunate because we're just two dudes behind microphones talking about it and making it sound like attainable and that easy because guess what? It is that easy. It's simple, but they just think they're too smart. They're smarter than the American people. They're smarter than two dudes in behind microphones talking about it kind of thing. If we're thinking about it.

And we're talking about it. Guess what? The dude down the streets thinking about and talking about it with his friend. We're all thinking and talking about it. We just have platforms to get it out there and to talk about a little bit louder than other people.

MNG (01:10:07.075)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:10:18.222)

And I think it's, yeah.

MNG (01:10:19.171)

You know, and you know, everyone thought they were smart too.

They thought they were smart too. And they end up going out of business. They inflated their stuff up too high.

And I look at them in the wind. Because they were smart, too.

Jey (01:10:40.654)

Yeah, all these all these companies that are shutting down You know all these brands everyone that's losing money everyone that's losing out Thought they were so great thought they were so great

MNG (01:10:53.859)

Yeah. I mean, even if we go a little step further and we talk about current times and you look at the electric car industry, you know, it's getting harder to break into. It's easy to break into the electric industry. The problem is the R &D, the research and development, that takes a lot of time and money to have to bring it to bring it to market.

um, your production facility. Cause electric cars aren't built the same way other cars are built. They're not, they're not built the same way. So, and that's why, that's why Tesla had such a hard time. Cause it was their first like ramping up production. It was like their first time ever doing it. So they were running into a lot of issues, the same issues that other, other cars, um, the other cars were running, the other car companies were running into when they was building cars over 50 years ago.

Jey (01:11:51.022)

Mm -hmm.

MNG (01:11:51.907)

You know, when you had the whole Industrial Revolution and they building these cars, their trial and error, you know, cars didn't have power steering, you know, cars barely had brakes, you know, then, you know, they start, you know, building the engines bigger and faster. So then they had to figure, figure the whole system out again. And then, you know, adding more lubricants, cars are overheating. So you add cooling and then you start adding more and more parts. So you start to learn the game. So now.

You got a company coming in that is trying to build an electric car, something that's more efficient, and yet it's still behind on the battery composition of whatever. But for new companies trying to come in now, you talk about maybe five to 10 years of research and development before you could possibly even bring anything to market.

Jey (01:12:49.294)

Yeah.

MNG (01:12:49.603)

It's a new emerging segment, but it's still a tough segment to work in because Tesla has a chokehold on the electric industry.

Jey (01:13:00.142)

Oh, absolutely. They do. Cause they got it. They got it figured out. They have it right. They have a great CEO, Elon Musk, say all you want about him. He's a mad genius. 100 % of the thing. Like I've listened to him on podcasts. I listened to him on Joe Rogan, the episode he did with him a couple months back. And he, he in depth talked about scaling the Cybertruck and what it takes and what it looks like, the difficulties, the challenges, everything, the ups and downs.

MNG (01:13:15.171)

I agree.

Jey (01:13:29.71)

Why do you think companies are pushing back against the government when they're trying to say, oh, we need to be all we're going to be all electric by 2035 or kind of thing. And these companies are saying that's impossible. Like there is no chance. But what happens to the electric cars when they're just dead and they stop working and the batteries die? Where do they go? You've seen those videos of like foreign countries where they have just these little like white cars, you know, little like two person like things and they just have.

acres upon acres upon miles of these car bone yards because all those batteries are dead and these cars stop working and they don't have batteries to replace them. So they just pump out new ones because it's cheaper for them to pump out new ones than to put new batteries and to replace these ones. And they just have bone yards pretty much of these same cars for as far as the eye can see.

And guess what? All that battery acid just leaks right into the ground in these areas. And they just become biohazard areas. Like, yeah, say what you want about carbon emissions and gas and all these things, but electric cars ain't no better. Battery acid. What happens when they're dead and you don't have batteries to replace them? What happens when your electric car dies and your electricity goes out? What happens when that happens?

MNG (01:14:44.291)

Right.

MNG (01:14:48.483)

the

MNG (01:14:52.355)

So I do, so I do, I do. Now, now it's two big issues. The first issue that you stated was definitely about what happened when a car dies. Okay. So that's a good question. The second issue is that we don't have an infrastructure for all the electrical cars. Okay. Now the electrical grid, cause let's just think about it. We had during the summertime in some states.

especially Southwest, okay, Arizona, Nevada, when it gets extremely hot and everybody is running their AC, you're liable to trip the grid.

Jey (01:15:29.198)

blackouts. Yeah, rolling blackouts and everything are a thing. And what's funny about that, what's funny about that is Elon talked about that in depth and he said all it would take, he literally, he put it so simply, so plainly. He said we could power our country on itself with a 100 mile by 100 mile solar field out in the middle of

MNG (01:15:33.123)

Yeah. So.

Jey (01:15:58.478)

Arizona in the desert. You could power the entire country sustainably on its own. The infrastructure, everything on a hundred mile by one hundred mile plot of land covered in solar panels. That's it. That simple for our entire country. On a sustainable renewable source, the energy from the sun's free. I don't cost nobody nothing.

MNG (01:16:26.179)

Nothing.

Jey (01:16:26.702)

100 by 100 mile piece of land. That's not that big. That's not that big. You get that out in the middle of Arizona and the desert. You get that out in the middle of North Dakota, Montana, wherever you get it out in one of these sunnier areas down in the Southwest. There's land. There's plenty of 100 by 100 pieces of land down in the South, down in Texas, up in Arizona, New Mexico, any of these places.

That's all it takes. That is literally all it takes on a hundred by one hundred piece of land covered in solar panels, literally end to end, butt to butt solar panels. Six feet up in the air, ten feet up in the air so that you can work underneath them, filter all of it. You can power the entire United States, the entire United States. And when Elon says that, I listen because that's someone that I trust that knows what they're talking about.

MNG (01:17:26.211)

Mm -hmm. Look, if I can get some sort of panels myself where I live, I definitely have some. But we don't get that much sun up here.

Jey (01:17:32.174)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:17:35.726)

It's not even just the sun, it's not even solar, it's like UV rays, it's all the different kind of things that the sun produces that come through the clouds and everything. It's not just sun, there's different kinds, all the things.

MNG (01:17:48.163)

Oh, I -

And I believe it, but again, what it goes back to, it goes back to capitalism because now you're saying that the electric companies are no longer needed to regulate. Okay. Now you're saying that, um, you don't need, you don't need, you don't need gas. No, you may still need the gas companies, but it's certain, it's certain, it's certain infrastructure that you don't need to regulate that anymore.

You see what I'm saying? So now you say, oh, well, if they're going to be able to generate all this electricity for free, then what's going to happen is people are going to get, why am I paying for a service when you're getting it for free? You don't have to generate it or do anything. It's being distributed to your facility and then you're distributing it out towards everybody else in the city.

Jey (01:18:21.486)

Yeah.

MNG (01:18:48.099)

So I'm paying you for that distribution and that service when I don't have to. And that's why I admire people that actually have the funds to get the solar panels from, it's not necessarily from Tesla. I can't think of their solar panel program, but there are solar panels or just any solar panels that puts energy back into the grid because it saves you so much more money because it is literally a free service.

Jey (01:19:10.734)

Mm -hmm.

Oh yeah.

MNG (01:19:16.963)

that can power your house and you don't have to rely on the energy company to spike prices on you because everybody's using electricity at a particular time.

Jey (01:19:28.398)

Exactly. And that's when it comes to the simple answer for that for me is work together. Work in collaboration. Collaborate on this. Because there's still going to be plenty of money to make off of solar power. You still have to sell the solar panels. You still have to sell the grid. You have to sell the grid space. Like there's plenty of money. You still have to get these workers from GE to now learn solar and to do that aspect of it.

You could do multiple solar fields. Maybe it's not one single plot of land. Maybe it's a 50 by 50 here, another 50 by 50 here, another 50 by 50 here, another, maybe it's a 25 by 25 here. Like GE run, GE has a monopoly on it. Our society is not supposed to have monopolies, but there's monopolies on certain things, unfortunately. General Electric, they have the monopoly on it. And...

MNG (01:20:19.555)

Definitely, definitely.

Jey (01:20:29.102)

Yes, they would lose some money, but how much money could they really make? Like, I feel like that's an untapped level, like, oh, well, now we need to sell solar. We can sell all this stuff and we get it into here. And now we can, you know, focus on innovation and, you know, increasing this better and making this better for everybody. It's like they don't they don't want to make anything better. They don't want to make anything better. Big solar fields.

plots of land 25 by 25 miles, 50 by 50 miles, you know, these square plots of land, cover them in solar panels, makes the world better, makes the country better, makes people happier, makes everything easier.

MNG (01:21:13.827)

is one thing you said there has made the country better. It makes the country more independent.

Jey (01:21:17.518)

Exactly, which is goes back to what we were talking about earlier about the welfare system child support everything like that Our country doesn't want to make us more independent. They want us to keep us reliant They hate when someone gets solar panel on their house. They hate when that happens Companies hate it and they make it as complicated as possible Happened to my brother when they moved into their new house and they have solar panels that are trying to figure it all out The meter wasn't reading right and they weren't getting the

MNG (01:21:34.275)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:21:46.83)

proper credit or they didn't get the proper reads off their meter with the solar and everything and it created more of an issue for them having it and it took about three months for them to finally get it figured out to where they were getting credited properly for the solar versus what they were using and getting from the grid.

Jey (01:22:16.046)

Bye.

MNG (01:22:16.099)

I had a friend that ran into that too where he had solar panels and he had batteries in his basement. And they came out, did an inspection, told him, hey, it was hooked up wrong. You need to go ahead and redo this. And they had to come out and inspect it again. And he went through several inspections before it was actually approved that it was good to go.

Jey (01:22:40.206)

Yeah, they complicate it because they don't want you to do it. They don't want you to be more independent. They don't want people to be more independent than they have to be. And I just listened to this really good podcast the other day. It was Patrick, that David PBD. I listened to his show. I'm a fan of his. He had Chris Como, Candice Owens, the PBD, like home team.

And they were talking in depth about these issues and really what it all always came back to was the government doesn't want to make us more independent. They don't want to allow us to have independence in any way, shape or form. They don't want that. That's not allowed. They can't afford that. They can't afford for, you know, they can't afford, well, they can. They can absolutely afford trillion dollar packages, hundred billion dollar packages, 60 billion dollar packages.

and foreign aid to all these places. Like, yeah, that sucks. I'm really sorry that that's going on over there. You know, these wars and everything are going on, but imagine all the money we've sent to Ukraine and imagine just that situation impossible. I know I'm going to get hate for bringing up Ukraine and saying this, but that's OK. I'm cool with it. Imagine all that money you take from Ukraine. You take you just.

You reverse all that money and all comes back into the US. You distribute that. Now hear me out. This is a big dream right here. Schools, you distribute. What is it? I don't even know the number. Probably half a trillion dollars at this point, maybe even a trillion. You distribute a trillion dollars to schools across America. Into teachers pockets, into teacher salaries, into classrooms.

into books, into technology, into innovation. That's maybe 100 billion. You still got 900 billion to play with. You take that, you take 300 billion of that, a third of it, and you go in remedy the houseless populations, homeless across America. You build apartments, you know, low income. You help companies provide jobs. You say, hey, we're offering

Jey (01:25:02.35)

Five million dollars for every company that goes out to their neighborhood will give you a credit here. Here's your credit, five million dollars to go and build housing or provide job, provide training, provide something to this population. Boom, you take another hundred billion of it. Now I'm at about 500, I'm half of it. And you go and sink that into mental health services, social services, things like that. Boom, sink it in there. Another issue remedied or not remedied, but.

A solution starting will give you credits will give you tax credits on this. You take that money, you go and pour it into. You already said schools, mental health, you pour it into addiction, you pour it into addiction facilities. So when you go and clean up the houses population, you can now either send them to a mental health facility or substance abuse facility that's being credited and paid for.

with this foreign aid money that's going to fight a proxy war. And you put it back in our country, you clean up the streets, you get these people the appropriate help they need, whether that's mental health, substance abuse help, or maybe they just need some job training and somewhere to live so that their basic needs are provided for. You provide their basic needs enough to get them back up and going. Once they're going, okay, cool. Here's your house. You have to pay this more. Here's your apartment in this complex that we built.

MNG (01:26:04.611)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:26:29.166)

But you have to pay this much. If you don't meet this much, then you have to go back into treatment and training kind of thing. You pour a trillion dollars into schools, education, mental health, substance abuse, building homes and fixing the inflation. You take 300 million of that and you pour it back into our national debt.

into interest rates, into first time homebuyer programs, you pour it back into the right programs. Man, our society absolutely booms rather than tank the last three years because of this. Our society is number zero in the world instead of falling, falling and falling down education, falling down mental health treatment, substance abuse treatment.

Instead of falling, we're growing. We're getting back up to top five in every single category across the board. We are the country. We are the beacon of hope where people want to be us. They try to be us and they fear the crap out of us because we're producing high level people. We're producing healthy people. We're producing smart people. We're producing well educated people. We're producing a great military that's smart, that's sharp, that's inundated.

No one wants to mess with us. No one even thinks to mess with us. No one even calls to call our numbers because they're like, we don't want to get them involved because we know if we get them involved, we are screwed. That's where we should be over these last three years versus where we are now with 41 % poverty and all these other issues, record inflation, homes that are really worth $100 ,000 being sold for six, seven, $800 ,000 interest rates at nearly 10 % on the dollar.

for to get into a home, like it's to get a new car or whatever. It's crazy because where we should be or could be, we're not because of the poor choices of our government.

MNG (01:28:35.843)

Ang.

And you were right. And that was a lot. Like, I see, I see, I see you going with it. I see you going with it.

Jey (01:28:41.358)

I know, and I'm just a dude. I'm just a dude.

Jey (01:28:49.006)

Like if I can see that, if I can see that and I'm just a dude behind a microphone with a fun logo on his podcast.

Man, put me in one of those seats and see what I can do. Just kidding. I don't want to be in politics. I don't want to.

MNG (01:29:05.027)

I can tell you, Congress definitely need a lot more young people in a group, because at this point, I think they got skeletons out there. And it ain't functional enough.

Jey (01:29:08.91)

Oh, absolutely.

Jey (01:29:13.518)

and

And the thing is like the young people don't want to do it or the wrong young people are doing it, but they start local. They start at your school boards. They start at your city council and they just take that as a stepping stone to see, OK, now I'm here. What can I get? Cool. I got the political gain. Time for my next step. Time for my next move. A lobby. Cool. I get my next move. I get my next ascension. By the time they're older.

Now they're in those higher positions of power. But while they were younger, they weren't worried about their actual position because they were worried about the next three ascensions. They do it for the wrong reasons. Everyone does it for the wrong reasons. It's unfortunate because it affects they don't realize the effect they're having because they're young, they're naive. They're like, oh, I'm just going to make money. You know, I have my liberal arts degree. I'm going to go be in politics and.

MNG (01:29:58.755)

You're absolutely right.

Jey (01:30:11.982)

You know, I know how much money I can make being a politician and all these things and. It screws, it sets us back more than it sets us forward.

MNG (01:30:23.555)

I agree. It does. And I think more people, I think we need a lot more representation in Congress. And I honestly think we need to add another party to Congress that's more prominent outside of just Democrats and Republicans.

Jey (01:30:40.046)

Oh yeah, the Cheap Party system doesn't work. We're seeing that.

MNG (01:30:43.427)

No, I mean, and there's other parties out there, but they don't get a seat at the table to actually be considered. They're on the ballot, but they're not in the forefront of the conversation. And we need more parties at the forefront of the conversation.

Jey (01:31:01.998)

We need to just, I personally think we could eliminate the two party system altogether. Just vote for the best person. That's why I can't stand right now at the time of this recording, we're in primary ballot season. For Washington State, you have to, on the front of your ballot, on the envelope, circle in the party you're voting for and you have to vote for a candidate from that party.

What if I want to align myself with this party but I want to vote for that candidate?

That's not fair to me. That's limiting to me as a voter. I don't think a lot of people even know that's what you're supposed to do. I only know that because I read the instructions and I actually opened my ballot. And I already knew that because I, you know, I listened to the radio. How many people get in their cars and actually listen to their radio stations? Nobody.

MNG (01:31:33.475)

Mm -hmm. No. It is.

MNG (01:31:58.979)

Yeah, I don't listen to the radio station. I ain't gonna lie to you. Like there's, there's not, there's not a time where I'm sitting, I'm gonna listen to the radio. No, I'm not listening to the radio.

Jey (01:32:01.486)

Yeah.

Jey (01:32:07.79)

No, exactly. Well, the only reason I listen to it is because in the morning, my daughter, we like to listen. And it's how we know we're on time is we listen to the country station and every morning they have the tasty tweets and it's this little catchy jingle. And we know we're on time when we hear the tasty tweets, when we're on this certain road in the mornings going to school. And like she lives for the tasty tweets, you will have a meltdown if we don't get to listen to the tasty tweets in the morning.

Jey (01:32:38.03)

to kind of bring that back. And then I hear things. So I just leave it on. I'm like, well, I'm already just, I'm going to work. I'm not going to go through all switching everything and turn something on for 10 minutes just to get to work kind of thing. And it's not worth it. So then I end up hearing these things and getting some little information. Information's good. It's good to have information. Good to know these things. The average person though is afraid of information. They're afraid to educate themselves.

MNG (01:32:52.099)

Right.

MNG (01:33:00.323)

Yeah.

Jey (01:33:05.902)

They're afraid to have like this conversation that we're having.

rarely going to happen outside of this platform with people. At least to my knowledge, in the right circles it happens. But going this deep into government and we did it, we talked politics, but we didn't really talk politics, politics. We just talked big picture stuff. Even this conversation is going to be taboo. It's going to trigger people because it's like, Oh, well, what are you trying to say? You're trying to say that people on welfare are lazy? No, I never said that.

Don't twist my words. I'm just trying to say, we're trying to highlight and say the systems that are at play are broken. They are devastated. The systems that we have to live in are corrupt. They're broken and they don't work. They absolutely do not work. The EBT, the child support, the welfare system, they're broken. They were made for a purpose. That purpose has been well served to set generations back.

Jey (01:34:10.03)

And those generations are set back. We're now living through the consequences of those things being initiated, welfare being started. We're now seeing the long term impacts, the effects of it being played out in real time in our country right now. And we're going to see it for many more generations. We probably still have at least two to three generations unless something drastic happens, which is what we're talking about. We're talking about drastic change.

MNG (01:34:24.995)

Yeah. All right.

Jey (01:34:38.222)

radical change to some people, a big disruption to the system and people hear that and they get scared.

MNG (01:34:44.803)

And one thing I want to say about people being triggered is people's perception is their reflection of themselves. Because if you're taking the information and saying that, oh, so what are you saying about this and what are you saying about that? In some cases, you're probably reflecting on your own self. And that's why you're being triggered is because...

Jey (01:34:55.918)

Absolutely.

MNG (01:35:13.155)

You're hearing the information and believing that the information is talking about you. And it's just a general statement. So if you take a general statement personally, maybe you definitely need to look in the mirror and determine what's going on and how can you get out your own situation. Whether it's from a political value, whether it's from the child support value, whether it's from the welfare value, we already understand that, or they already understand that the system...

is broken and it needs a reform. But if you are partaking in that system and you are profiting off of that system and you are triggered by what somebody else says about that system, then yes, you definitely, you're definitely taking a reflection. Your perception is they can definitely take a reflection on you because what you're seeing, you're seeing something that's, oh, well that's personal to me. Is it really personal to you because you may feel or believe a certain thing or you may be doing something in action?

Jey (01:35:45.422)

Mm -hmm.

MNG (01:36:13.411)

But because we're stating what the action is, you think your action is in relation to that. And it's really not. But you're triggered because you don't want anything to change. So maybe you are in that position and you need to sit down and reevaluate the next five years of your life and come up out of that situation and be what I would say a productive citizen and a contributor to society.

Jey (01:36:38.478)

Absolutely. Absolutely.

MNG (01:36:40.643)

If you don't want to be a contribution to society and you want to consistently keep taking and taking and taking, then that's definitely an issue. Because the more that you take, because when you take from the government, you take from society. So you're taking from me. That means that my tax dollars go to the government. You take it from the government, so you taking my tax dollars and doing exactly what with them. Besides...

Jey (01:36:48.974)

Mm -hmm.

MNG (01:37:09.571)

living for free, you know, paying the minimum, I'm working hard to pay the full balance for my mortgage, groceries and everything. And you're taking a shortcut and getting the minimum balance paid on everything without contributing a dime to the success of society.

Jey (01:37:10.638)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:37:27.374)

Absolutely. And then you're limiting other people. You're limiting those who actually, actually, actually are in that like spot, like 100 percent that 100 percent need it, that 90 percent need it, that 85 percent need it. You know, the people who actually have the dire need for these assistance programs can't get it. They can't get access to it. They can't get access to the mental health services or the substance abuse services.

Because those things are paid for, some of those things are paid for through state insurance, through government insurance that not everyone can be on. And so it takes away from the needs of those who actually need it, gives it to those who don't need it as much. And then it just continues that cycle. And I'm not trying to call anyone out. If you feel triggered or something, then you need to, like you were saying, check your feelings. That's what it comes down to for me. Check yourself.

Or to the point where I've gotten in trouble for that in the past at work to where I said something or did something that offended someone else or upset someone else. And I'm like, well, I literally said to my boss at that point, well, I can't control how they feel, how they react. That's not my fault. And I got so I got blacklisted from that moment forward. It's like, well, I can't. That's not my problem. How they feel like that's on them. They're like, well, yeah, but you need to like, I don't got to do shit.

MNG (01:38:42.595)

Mm -hmm. Right.

Jey (01:38:56.718)

Like I said my piece, I said what I said and I mean what I said, like I'm not going to go back and unsay it. Like I have nothing to apologize for. Like I said it straight up. I said it bluntly. I said it boldly and I said it honestly. Like if they don't like it, that's too damn bad. Um, that's on them to react. And so again, if like you were saying, if you think we're talking about you, well ask yourself why, why you feel that way. And you know,

Maybe this time for that self -evaluation. Maybe it is time to, you know, wake up. We, everyone, a lot of people in this country, a lot of people in our country, maybe some people who are going to listen to this and see clips of it, need to wake up. Cause things are bad. If you think things are good right now in our country, you're blind, you're uninformed. You're listening to the wrong stuff. You're getting the wrong message. You're, you're brainwashed by the wrong propaganda. And you...

MNG (01:39:46.819)

Right. I agree.

Jey (01:39:54.862)

People hearing that are going to call me, oh, well, you're just a Republican and you're just a right -winger and you've been red -pilled. And no, I see life for what it is. I see how shitty our country is. And I know where these things stem from. A lot of the problems we're seeing, it's 2024 and we still have racism in our country. Slavery was abolished how long ago? Integration happened how long ago? Dr. King died.

how long ago, and we still have these issues.

Jey (01:40:30.19)

we still have poverty at a record rate. We're the most poversh, we're the richest country in the world, yet the most impoverished country in the world. How does Zhao's two things align?

MNG (01:40:30.467)

That's true.

Jey (01:40:44.27)

If you're the richest and you're also the most...poverish.

MNG (01:40:49.827)

Well, that is, but that's still due to a it being a capitalistic. It's due to being a capitalistic country and democracy. So it's a capitalistic democracy. So everybody has a voice. Supposedly, everybody has a voice. I'm not I'm not 100 percent in believe that everybody has a voice, but everybody has a voice and everybody can succeed.

Jey (01:41:01.23)

I agree.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Jey (01:41:10.126)

Mm -mm.

MNG (01:41:19.139)

in the right conditions. And when I say the right conditions is, is that you have to be of a particular, you know, mindset of a particular behavior of a particular group, a particular culture in order to be able to have the access that you would need in order to break the glass ceiling. And it doesn't, it doesn't feel, it doesn't fare well for everyone trying to be successful because everybody in the country can't be millionaires.

Jey (01:41:38.126)

Exactly.

MNG (01:41:49.123)

Everybody in the country can't make $200 ,000, $500 ,000. You know, some there has to be levels to the country, unfortunately. And other countries, you know, they're, they're the same way. They still have their levels, but you still have the majority that fare well than anything else. You still have, go ahead.

Jey (01:42:12.014)

Absolutely.

Oh no, I was agreeing because I mean, look at Britain, you know, United Kingdom. 7 -8 % poverty rate. So yes, of course they still have it. Yes, they still have these things. But 7 -8 % of all their population.

MNG (01:42:28.739)

Yeah.

Jey (01:42:37.71)

That's it. Their entire population, first world country, India, same thing. I know no one likes talking about China, but China, they're an economic leader. They're number one in a lot of categories because they, yes, they have a whole social credit system. We don't have to jump into that, but they also, their algorithm for like their TikTok and stuff.

They promote on their algorithms, they force health, fitness, gut health, educational materials. Of course, they probably force some propaganda and stuff too, but overall they produce like health on their like for you pages on their TikToks. They don't and they filter it.

MNG (01:43:26.467)

I don't even want to get into the TikTok conversation. I have my thoughts on that whole programming and what China is showing, you know, their country versus what's being shown in our country. And it is a Chinese program. And I know a lot of people don't want it to be banned because they're making money off of it. But...

Jey (01:43:31.438)

Oh yeah.

Jey (01:43:44.718)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:43:48.974)

Oh yeah.

MNG (01:43:55.235)

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to see. I can talk about this stuff all day long. I'm not even going to get into it. And the reason why I won't get into it is because when it may look frowned upon and it is definitely a conspiracy theory in my, in my take, I would say a conspiracy theory because it's what I believe in what I think is it's not a hundred percent proven. So I'm not even going to jump into the tick tock conversation because I know a lot of people, I received a text message saying, you know, uh, talk to your, your local, um,

Jey (01:43:56.622)

No. Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:44:15.118)

100%.

MNG (01:44:23.971)

local congressman so they can not ban full ban on TikTok. And I'm like, I understand a lot of people are making money off of TikTok, but you got to understand that for every good there's an evil. It's good for you, but think about the evil that it's producing. You know, you feel like, well, I'm doing comedy, I'm doing this, and you know, it's provided me to be able to pay for my family. Just like any criminal can stop being a criminal.

and take those same skills and apply elsewhere in entrepreneurship, it's the same concepts, it's the same principles. You may not be able to get the loan or the finances or the money to do it, but it's not saying that you don't have the skill. If you can run your own rack of tearing, you can run a company. You may not be able to do it with violence, you had to do it by legal means, but...

Jey (01:45:01.71)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:45:17.166)

Absolutely.

MNG (01:45:23.459)

The mindset is there. You can, you'll be able to convert that over and run a successful established business by using those same practices if you take out the violence and the intimidation and the guns and all that other stuff that's out there.

Jey (01:45:37.198)

Absolutely, and I don't think it would be the worst thing if it was banned I think a lot of people be a lot happier Yes, it would suck but there's Etsy there's YouTube Open up a different shop open up an Etsy store Get on Instagram get on YouTube Get on Facebook, you know, we still have the infrastructure in the programs to still help you push and promote these things

MNG (01:46:05.411)

All right.

Jey (01:46:05.902)

If people really like what you do and they care, they're going to support you. They're going to support the person. That's what I've always believed in. The right people support the right people. The right people support the right messages. And so it really comes down to just supporting the right people, supporting the right things, support the things you believe in, support what aligns for you. And honestly, to kind of go back a little bit to the whole two party system. Do your research.

Vote for the right people. Vote for the right candidates. Vote for the people who are going to have the most impact to yourself, your community and your people, your kids, your family, your community. Pay attention, get informed, stay informed. Listen to the right podcast. If you want podcasts to listen to, send me a DM. I'll recommend you 10 of them that are good for helping you stay informed on what's going on in a geopolitical landscape where they have great conversations, open conversations.

Both sides are explored. The appropriate amount of shit is talked. All the things. Get informed, stay informed. Because it's important to be informed. If you don't know what's going on, you can't be part of the solution because then you just stay part of the problem. Get informed so you can be part of the solution. Don't be a part of the problem. Especially if you got kids. We're trying to raise kids who are trying to raise kids who are want we want them to be healthy, productive members of society.

MNG (01:47:23.523)

That's true.

Jey (01:47:34.638)

If you're not a healthy, productive member of society, good luck trying to raise a little human that's going to be a productive member of society as well. Your kids are what you are. The apple does not fall far from the trees. So just remember that. Please just remember that and everything that you do. So I think that's my, that's my closing thought there.

MNG (01:47:43.459)

Facts.

MNG (01:48:00.451)

Okay, I like it.

Jey (01:48:03.47)

But yeah, no, this is, this has been dope, dude. I did not think we were going to push two hours when we hit record. So, but sometimes it just flows, man. There's a lot to talk about out there right now.

MNG (01:48:10.531)

Hahaha!

MNG (01:48:18.051)

Yeah, I mean, it was great. It was great conversation. I appreciate being on man like I didn't. I didn't expect it to go over that that broad of a spectrum. But, you know, once it's going is going.

Jey (01:48:29.678)

Yeah, man, and we covered, we covered what we covered child support, welfare, government structure. Big we talked, we talked, brother, we talked. We talked, man, the takeaways from this one, the bullet points are going to be a freaking just the whole description of the episode, the takeaways. This is a good one. So make sure hopefully they buckled up.

MNG (01:48:42.371)

Yeah, we talked about a few things.

MNG (01:48:54.563)

Woo!

Jey (01:48:59.63)

for this one when they started listening and it just kind of goes, you know, that's the best thing about our podcasts and what we both do is we just talk, we have the conversations and we talk about something that needs to be talked about. Someone's got to talk about it. Someone has to talk about it. Why not us? Why not us?

MNG (01:49:17.667)

Yeah.

Jey (01:49:24.398)

But.

MNG (01:49:24.771)

I agree. I agree. The load, the what you would call local journalists or, you know, us podcasters.

And that's why, and that's, and that's kind of why, you know, I be on threads, just promoting people and, you know, let them know like, Hey, you have support. You know, there is a group of us out here that want to support you, that want to see you succeed, regardless of whether you're starting or you've been in it for five years. You know, I want to send that encouragement and, you know, if, uh, and have those conversations because we are the people with the voice. We supposed to have a voice.

Because the people that we put in place to speak for us don't speak for us. They speak for them. They speak for their group. They speak for their pockets. That's what they speak for. They don't talk for us. They have far removed themselves from where we are to be able to talk to us. Just because you come back to the neighborhood and have conversations don't mean that you talk for us. Because if you hurt us, then we will see substantial changes.

Jey (01:50:16.174)

Nope.

Jey (01:50:28.814)

Mm -mm. Mm -mm.

MNG (01:50:35.203)

So who's gonna speak for us but those that are among us that can speak for us.

Jey (01:50:39.79)

And I think it's so interesting. I'm out here in Washington. You're out there on the, uh, so I'm in the Pacific time zone. You're in the Eastern time zone. And we're talking the same thing here on different sides of the country. That just tells you that if it's, it's reaching coast to coast, these issues are everywhere. If you're going to call your representative, make that a damn good call. Don't call about TikTok. Call about your school board, call about your kid's education, call about.

MNG (01:50:52.259)

Yep.

Jey (01:51:08.142)

the issues that matter to you and to your kids. If you're going to call, who gives a shit about TikTok? It's just a stupid app. How many apps and programs have we seen died over the years? Hundreds, thousands, who cares? It's just another one of those. We're going to forget it in a couple of years. What was it? The one before TikTok that you can make videos and stuff on. See, I don't even remember the name of it.

MNG (01:51:20.099)

Exactly.

MNG (01:51:35.171)

Was that Snapchat?

Jey (01:51:36.718)

not snapchat it was uh it was like another one but it was like 10 second videos um vine exactly vine died we were fine

MNG (01:51:43.075)

Bye.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Vine did. I think, I think, I think it came and went, it came and went quick too.

Jey (01:51:50.414)

Vine died, we were fine.

Exactly. MySpace died. AOL died before that. Like programs died. Things leave. Things come and they go. Nothing's forever. You know, at least when it comes to your life, your kids, your family, the things that are in front of you, those are your forever things that matter. Find your forever things that matter. The relationships, the people. Find your things that matter.

MNG (01:51:59.171)

Yep.

MNG (01:52:18.979)

Right.

Jey (01:52:23.758)

TikTok doesn't matter long term. Yes, it's a great stream of side hustle, side income. That's great. That's been great for you. It's been great for your career. Take it to that next level. Go and get on Instagram. Go challenge yourself on YouTube. Go grow your audience somewhere else. Go get your face out there some other way, shape or form. You can do it. I know you can.

MNG (01:52:47.651)

Let's be honest. TikTok is like OnlyFans. OnlyFans is like being a stripper. You only going to get so far with it. You're not looking at 60 years in this industry. You make all the money that you can make. And then you try... That's just like, it's like being an actor. You could be an actor.

Jey (01:52:55.406)

Uh huh.

like.

Jey (01:53:04.974)

No.

MNG (01:53:16.675)

for as long as you can. But if you just gonna be an actor, you're not financially not gonna get very far. Okay? Just like athletes, you could be an athlete, you could play basketball, right? You could play football. If you don't last 10 years, how relevant were you? If you don't have an endorsement, if you don't have a gym shoe,

Jey (01:53:25.454)

Mm -mm. Mm -mm.

Jey (01:53:38.702)

You weren't, you absolutely weren't.

Jey (01:53:45.518)

You ain't nothing.

MNG (01:53:47.747)

You ain't nothing. You can come in and if you in there as a role player and you ain't the best role player that you can be to where you can get at least an endorsement or something that can bring extra cash in to help you. You're irrelevant. So if TikTok is your main source and you not going to comedy clubs. You're not trying to appear in low budget movies.

Jey (01:53:48.782)

You're nothing.

MNG (01:54:16.771)

to expand your talent and palette.

Jey (01:54:19.054)

Exactly. Why do you think so many athletes? So many athletes do the same thing, you know, look at the Rock is the Rocks in the movies? No, he runs the XFL and he does the spots on WWE here and there he has an energy drink company. He has a gym brand. He has a tequila. He has all these things that he's at John Cena same thing. He's in all these places. He's on the WWE no more doing that to his body because he can't he missed his prime's over.

MNG (01:54:22.019)

then you're

MNG (01:54:34.339)

Yep.

MNG (01:54:46.755)

Yeah!

Jey (01:54:48.302)

You know, look at Charles Barkley. He's on TV now as an analyst. You know, Mack McClung, if he hasn't won two dunk contests, he's making the most of it while he can. And he's trying to get all that money he can right now.

MNG (01:55:03.779)

Why, why, why, why your exposure is high, you know, you happen to monopolize on this.

Jey (01:55:06.542)

Capitalize, capitalize, you got to, but then again, kids who are taught, who are, you know, end up becoming successful streamers or something for a short time, that's all they know because that's all they're really told they need to know and learn. And so then they don't know what to do with it after that. They don't know how to take that talent and move it to another place. Like I think Nate Jackson, you probably see Nate Jackson on TikTok.

MNG (01:55:26.595)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:55:35.022)

Um, the comedian he's hilarious. I've seen him in person. He's done it right though. He's gone from clubs. He's gone from Tik TOK to clubs to now he's selling out arena. He's doing arena tours now. Um, he, he took it. He, he capitalized. He's like, okay, I got my moment. Now I can expand and now I can do arena. Now people are going to know me. So if this ever dies, I got my, I'm good. Like I'm sustainable. Like.

You know, beauty doesn't last forever. The OnlyFans models, like, yeah, you're hot and young right now, but what happens in 10 years when you start to wrinkle or get a little bit flabby or you realize like your life is just porn and you have no value really to offer society and what do you do?

MNG (01:56:20.419)

and

MNG (01:56:23.939)

And then, and then even with even with even with that, even if you in the industry for five years, guess what? Somebody younger, better is coming in right behind you. Hotter coming in right behind you. So what is your trajectory that you see? Like, get in, get what you're willing to take and diversify or put your talents elsewhere, you know?

Jey (01:56:33.71)

Hotter? Exactly.

Jey (01:56:52.462)

Mm -hmm.

MNG (01:56:54.403)

Go, if you want to be an OnlyFans and all that stuff like that, go into modeling or create your own subscription service on a outside platform so that you get all the money yourself and then develop a clothing line or develop a product line that...

Jey (01:57:05.582)

Exactly. Reinvest that money. Get the money. Stack it. Get them bags. Get them bags. Get them bags. Athletes, models, influencers, everyone. Get your bags. Keep your bags. Invest your bags. Learn how to invest your bags. You have enough money right now to go and talk to someone who knows how to do it and to invest in the right places. To put your money out there so it comes back to you tenfold.

MNG (01:57:31.683)

then.

MNG (01:57:35.139)

Now, I don't want to, I want to use this person as an example, but, and I, and I, and I hate to say this name, but Kim Kardashian has, has, she's taken her whole family up off of one sex video and now is worth what, a billion dollars.

Jey (01:57:44.046)

I already know, I already know, yeah.

Jey (01:57:51.758)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:57:56.078)

something like that, you know, like everyone knows the name Kim Kardashian, skims, underwear, perfume, TV, modeling, Botox, BBL, porn, everything.

MNG (01:57:58.435)

Followers everywhere so Everybody knows it

MNG (01:58:09.059)

Another example, another example, Rihanna. Now, Rihanna transitioned from music to she transitioned to music and now she has, she put seven albums out year after year for seven years straight. Okay, I believe it was seven albums. Year after year, seven years straight. And now she got clothes, perfume, all that stuff.

Jey (01:58:16.27)

Mm -hmm.

Jey (01:58:33.038)

Yeah, I think you're right.

MNG (01:58:39.075)

You know, you can transition while you're on top. You could transition and make your life so much easier and you don't have to work as much as you have to as long as you put the work in.

Jey (01:58:49.614)

And then she did a Super Bowl. She didn't even need to do that Super Bowl, but she did that Super Bowl to promote and she was pregnant. And all that did was get her exposure and attention. She's like, eh, I'll go way up in the sky suspended while pregnant. Sure. It'll get me attention. It'll get me a viral clip. Usher, Alicia Keys, they got their viral clip. They got their viral moment. Usher's album, Usher album went nuts. Alicia Keys went nuts.

MNG (01:58:53.859)

She did.

MNG (01:58:58.531)

Yep.

MNG (01:59:02.531)

More exposure and attention.

MNG (01:59:13.891)

Yup. They got people talking.

Jey (01:59:19.63)

Like it gets these people back on top and you just got to find ways to get yourself back out there. So while you're on top, take, ride it out, like find the ways to, to expand, learn to expand. You have to learn how to expand. If you don't know how to expand, you're not pushing yourself to expand. It's going to be, it's going to be real hard for you long -term. So.

MNG (01:59:41.539)

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

Jey (01:59:43.886)

But all right, any closing thoughts before we wrap this up?

MNG (01:59:49.923)

Man, I gave so many thoughts, man. I don't know if I have any closing thoughts. I think I gave so many closing thoughts already.

Jey (01:59:51.534)

I don't know if I got any left, honestly. It's all out there.

I know we, we closed, we did a great job. I will say we've done a great job closing all our topics out and transitioning to seamlessly to the next one. Um, or building everything's been built on more or less. So.

MNG (02:00:14.883)

Well, I'll definitely say, you know, I tell people out there to check out Farewell Mr. Nice Guy. Follow us on social media, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, as well as on YouTube. We have a lot of great content out there. I just want to say I appreciate you have me on having this conversation. It was a this is probably one of the dopest conversations I've had so far about just child support, government, politics, everything. You know, these are the conversations that I have.

Jey (02:00:28.942)

do.

Jey (02:00:42.19)

Dang man.

MNG (02:00:44.771)

in private groups with people that I know. And it doesn't you don't see it often out into the world where people had these conversations. So so so so definitely. So I hope everybody enjoyed this podcast. Definitely go check out Feral Miss, a nice guy. You know, and a subscribe, comment, share. We we we talking we're talking stuff that should be talked about on a higher level.

Jey (02:00:51.438)

Mm -mm.

Mm -mm. It's rare. It's rare.

MNG (02:01:13.859)

And unfortunately, it's not getting there and it's taking us to be able to do it. That's my piece.

Jey (02:01:16.91)

Absolutely. I love that. I love that. And then lastly, on top of that, you could find all the links to M &G here down in the description of the episode with the description. I'm not going to do the normal plug, but shout out to our sponsor of the podcast, the June app. That's J O O N. You can find the June app, all of our deals, specials, promos and partners of the Young Dad podcast on our link tree, which is down in the description of every single episode.

It's the link in our bio, as the kids say, on all our other handles. So M &G, thank you so much for this conversation. It's been just phenomenal.

MNG (02:01:57.635)

Yes, yes, I agree. Thank you. Thank you. I really appreciate it.