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63: Unstoppable Dad Project- Matt Noonan- Full Transcript

In this episode, host Jey welcomes guest Matt Noonan to discuss various topics related to health and wellness. They start with an introduction and background on Matt's work as a coach and host of the Unstoppable Dad Project podcast. They then delve into the importance of workplace health and how businesses can support their employees' well-being. The conversation shifts to the concept of leading by example in parenting and coaching, emphasizing the importance of practicing what you preach. They also explore the challenges of quantifying the benefits of health investments and measuring success in health and wellness. In this conversation, Matt Noonan and Jey discuss the importance of setting quantifiable metrics for health and fitness goals. They emphasize the need to simplify the process and focus on consistent action rather than complex measurements. They also explore the concept of embracing a new identity as someone who prioritizes health and fitness. Matt highlights the significance of lean muscle mass for long-term health and independence. They discuss the importance of thinking on a long-term timeframe and considering the impact of health choices on future goals. Finally, they stress the importance of seeking professional help when facing mental health challenges.


Investing in workplace health can lead to benefits such as reduced sick days and increased productivity.

Leading by example is crucial in parenting and coaching, as actions speak louder than words.

Measuring success in health and wellness can be challenging, but progress can be seen in improved energy levels, quality time with loved ones, and personal achievements.

Quantifying the benefits of health investments may require a holistic approach, considering both physical and mental well-being. Set quantifiable metrics for health and fitness goals to track progress.

Embrace a new identity as someone who prioritizes health and fitness.

Focus on building and maintaining lean muscle mass for long-term health and independence.

Think on a long-term timeframe and consider the impact of health choices on future goals.

Seek professional help when facing mental health challenges.


00:00 Introduction and Background

08:16 The Importance of Workplace Health

17:48 Leading by Example in Parenting and Coaching

29:56 Quantifying the Benefits of Health Investments

39:58 Measuring Success in Health and Wellness

44:20 Setting Quantifiable Metrics

46:47 Embracing a New Identity

49:23 The Long-Term Benefits of Health Choices

52:13 Simplifying Health and Fitness

55:07 The Importance of Lean Muscle Mass

58:27 Thinking on a Long-Term Timeframe

01:03:42 Rooted in Family

01:04:30 Finding Grounding in Jiu-Jitsu

01:09:39 Seeking Professional Help

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Full Transcript

Jey (00:00.758)

Welcome in to another episode of the Young Dad Podcast. I'm your host Jay. And if you're looking at us over on YouTube right now, you may recognize the face right next to me. We're so happy to be with you. I'm so happy to have this man back on the show with me after nearly a year's time. Crazy how time flies. But welcome into episode 62 of the show. We're so happy to have you. We hope you're having a great 2024 so far. And

All your New Year's resolutions, bucket list items, goals, whatever you call them, are off to a tremendous start.

Jey (00:38.31)

And yeah, I think that's enough for introduction. If you don't know who's sitting next with me, because you're on an audio only recording. Well, I have coach Matt Noonan here from the Unstoppable Dad Project podcast, who was one of our very first guests on the show last year back in episode 21. So it's been 42, nearly three times as many episodes since he's been back with us again. So that's just.

crazy to see how many people we've talked to since him, how long it's taken to get back together and just where we're both kind of at now. So I'm so excited to have him. If you don't know a little bit about Matt, go back and listen to episode 21. But a little bit about him, Matt's obviously a dad. He hosts the Unstoppable Dad Project. He's a coach. He's a great mind when it comes to health, wellness, fitness, mindset, coaching dads, coaching people.

passionate guy, smart dude, tremendous dad, and just all the things wrapped into one. Everything that we could ask for a guest and obviously a dear friend of the show. Matt, thanks for coming back on. Go ahead and introduce yourself to the people once again a little bit. Tell us a little bit about you and then we'll jump back into the topic we were talking about pre-record.

Matt Noonan (02:04.13)

Thanks for having me back on man. It's been, it's good to get back on and be able to have the opportunity to have another chat to you and, you know, touch base with your audience. And so I'm Matt Noonan from Australia, hosted the Unstoppable Dad project podcast, which is just, it's a solo podcast for me. I take 15 to 20 minutes each week, just pick a topic on something that's either come up in my life, come up in the life of the clients that I coach and just call it kind of.

riff on that for about 15-20 minutes each week. Hopefully give some people some usable tips, usable bits of information based off my experiences 15 years as a coach, only eight years as a dad, so I'm very young in that world, but it's you know, it's something that I'm very passionate about. I'm passionate about everyone's health. I had the opportunity to own and operate a gym for 11 years, which was probably something which was

the steepest learning curve I've had on anything in my life, but it taught me a lot about just helping people, working with people, getting the most out of people. And from that point of view, I just kind of hope that I can give out as much simple, usable information as possible to kind of get somebody kickstarted in a direction that they're hopefully happy with. So that's me in a nutshell.

Funny thing is when you said episode 21, I didn't even realize it was episode 21 when I was on, but that was my old playing number when I was playing football. So that's a bit of trivia. I've got an Australian jersey in there with the number 21 on and the last World Cup team that I coached, the linebackers actually went to the person in that team, got that jersey or like bought the jersey off them and all signed it for me. So

Jey (03:31.973)

No way.

Matt Noonan (03:52.158)

I've got it hung up inside with all their signatures on it. So yeah, 21's my old playing number. So it's pretty ironic that was the last episode that I was on.

Jey (03:52.627)

That's all.

Jey (04:03.17)

No, that's awesome. I love that. See, it all works out for how it's supposed to work out. Matt, if I didn't mention when I introduced you, your episode that you guessed you were a guest on with us last year was actually our episode of the year according to our Spotify rap. So of course, a big shout out to all our listeners, the people who listened because you were on, the people who listened to us in our early unrefined days, my early unrefined days as a host. I can't say it's much better 42 episodes later, but I'm a little bit more organized.

Matt Noonan (04:07.82)

That's it.

Jey (04:32.482)

We actually have a calendar and a questionnaire to book and we're not Messaging back and forth like last time being well, does this work? Oh, no, this is a different time because we're plus 16 plus 18 hours. It's like oh, this is never gonna work out because I can't math kind of thing, but It's it's just good to have you back Last time you came on we talked We talked I don't even remember what we talked about it's in the show notes probably But

Matt Noonan (04:44.018)


Matt Noonan (04:52.778)

Yeah, it's good to be here, man.

Jey (05:01.802)

pre-record we were talking a little bit I had mentioned just kind of thinking about this today and I'm like Matt's the perfect person to talk to so the other topic I have in here but I'll let you know about it now so we're gonna talk today a little bit about health in the workplace health as a business and then I wanted to ask you and kind of pick your brain on some of the most like common trends you saw with dad

what they're struggling with, what they're going through, what all dads are kind of working towards and like some of those common goals and whatnot. So start thinking about that a little bit, keep that in the back of your brain, kind of like the trends you saw, whether good or bad, are dads trending in the right direction or the wrong direction from your point of view in your business as a coach, coaching dad and parent through these different areas and even for yourself, what kind of things have you noticed in your own last.

nine, ten months since the last talk and been on the show that you've trended in the right direction or maybe in the wrong direction that you need to get back course corrected. So you're thinking about those things. But the first thing here, so we were talking pre-record and I had mentioned how if you haven't listened to the last couple episodes, I've been a bit raspy. I've been having a bit of a respiratory thing going on. This is the best I've sounded in a week.

If you go and listen to my last episode of Dynasty down under that I did, that was rough, real rough, overall, ball boy talk. But, um, and I had mentioned to Matt that we had three people, two people out yesterday, three people out today. And when so many people miss in my work, we missed billing those hours. Our program is funded by the state and state insurance is the one who pays for the services.

So if the services don't happen, obviously we don't get paid nearly as much. And just thinking kind of on a baseline for the cost of service, I don't actually know the cost, but we're looking at probably 10 to 15 appointments, assume $300 per billable service. You're probably looking at $2,000 to $3,000 or $3,000 plus dollars in lost money in versus those people who were out, you know, let's say they all get paid $19, $20 an hour for

Jey (07:25.266)

I'm looking at 150, 160 times 3, 450, $500. So a major disparity in money incoming versus money out. Those people are still going to use their sick time and get paid versus not having work to earn the hours like for the business. So kind of at what point does a workplace stay and a coworker and I were talking about this say when.

When do we step in and be like, look, our people aren't healthy. They're not taking care of themselves. We preach self care, but don't allot time or resources for it. Cause we barely pay them enough to live. Like when does the business step in and be like, okay, here's the resource. Here's the time you have to use it or use one of the services of the wellness resource to keep yourself healthier. You have to use it.

And we're going to cover the cost of it, whether you're talking to a dietitian, coach, going to the gym, using the actual facilities, whatever. But here's the resource you have to use at least one thing per week. During this a lot of time, you don't care what it looks like. When does the business step in and realize we're losing more versus gaining more by not supplementing this for our people to keep them healthy longterm.

Matt Noonan (08:45.962)

Yeah, look, hey, that's a so It's a little bit more information there than when we were talking and like one of the things that I was I kind of said To start off with it's like when it comes to businesses investing in that type of stuff It's like anything when you're investing in health like there's a delayed payoff for the investment that you make right so like they're going to invest in whatever Means it is for the person

Jey (08:52.252)


Matt Noonan (09:15.694)

to improve those health markers for themselves. And then they're not gonna see a payoff in that for three months, six months. They may not even know that there's a payoff for it for 12 months until they sit down and go, right, what's the truancy rate being like over this 12 month period? And how do we get, what money have we been able to claim back based off the...

amount of stuff that we have invested into this health program that we've got. It can be a hard thing for people to quantify and that's where I'm thinking that, like what you're saying, if you were to step into the business and go to the person who's running the business or the manager or something like that, I think one of the big things that businesses are operating on are metrics, right? So how do we quantify

Jey (10:12.79)

Thank you.

Matt Noonan (10:14.07)

this money that we're putting in, like a really simple, basic, easy thing is that, how many sick days have been taken now in this 12 month period compared to the next 12 month period? But then there's that, do we want to invest the money not exactly knowing whether there is gonna be a payoff on this backend or not too? And then there's, it's almost like there's a Pandora's box of conversation that needs to happen around that particular topic, because it's like, hey, then,

Jey (10:24.214)

Exactly, exactly. I think that's one way to measure it.

Matt Noonan (10:43.498)

What if these people that we've put the money in then leave after three months? What if they, you know, what if they're not there in 12 months time? Like what are like, there's a whole bunch of moving pieces there. However, like. I think everyone knows and everyone has an inherent understanding, or they should, you know, healthier people are going to take less sick days. Healthier people are going to need to take less like they're going to want to come to work due to, you know, if they're doing something fulfilling, they're going to want to come to work.

if they're and then you've got the mental health aspect as well too, you know, so is it um, you know from a healthy workplace point of view We've got to encompass like the mental health aspects as well as the physical health aspects and one feeds the other and I know I'm jumping around a lot here. It's probably more because When I look at the topic as a whole there's a whole bunch of moving pieces there that need to be looked at in order to

Jey (11:33.916)

No, you're good.

Matt Noonan (11:42.846)

actually effectively address the things that need to be addressed. But healthier people are going to take less sick days. They're going to get sick less. It doesn't mean they're not going to get sick. It just means they're going to get sick less. It might be once every six months rather than once every two or three. So then all of a sudden, if that was the case, it's like, well, what exactly what you're talking about, where you equate that back to for your particular profession.

Jey (11:47.734)


Jey (12:02.443)


Matt Noonan (12:12.31)

billable hours, this is what you're losing now compared to what you're going to lose then. And then it just becomes, you know, checks and balances, looking at the money in versus money out. This is the money we've got to invest in a wellness program in order to, you know, have moved this along. But then the next part of that is having the resources there is one thing, getting people to use it is the next thing. And that's

Jey (12:40.382)

Well, that's the thing. That's the thing. So I work in mental health. I work with people's mental health and we teach people and we preach self care, taking care of yourself, doing these things for yourself, you know, being healthy, eating healthy, having healthy food options, getting good productive sleep, you know, rest, relaxation, self care, all those different topics of it, right?

yet we're not allotted the time or the resources or the ability to do it. So my thinking to give us some more context is our CEO and our CFO are a married couple that founded the business. The CFO is a former physical therapist, like licensed physical therapy, just to add more context to it. So that thinking should already.

be in place there naturally. Just knowing, oh, well, if these people are less sick, they miss less time, they're healthier, this is a no-brainer kind of thing. We make sure our people are healthy, well, and strong and able because we also travel between homes and schools and community, so we're exposed to all these different things throughout the year. And so with that, knowing, like, okay.

They have that going on. We. Preach it and teach it, but we don't practice it. So how effective is that message? But if it is allotted and given, I feel like that resource, if it's given and provided, like when I knew that when I worked at, um, an old bank, they covered half my costs for a gym chain here in town. I was, as soon as I found out, I was at that gym that night.

my discount kind of thing, like here you go kind of thing. Like if people know that they have the resource and it's a very, it's going to save them money that they don't have to pay or it's covered for them, they're going to be so much more likely to use it. I feel because it's less of a stress. There's less barriers to access it. But when there's only barriers on top of barriers. So right now the barriers for my coworkers are the time, the money, the

Jey (15:10.166)

ability the desire because yes, we have a very fulfilling job getting to help people to help people improve their mental health and recovery and Repair relationships and it's very fulfilling at the end of the day. It's also very draining Talking to people all day about problems and mental health and their struggles and seeing these behaviors and being in the rooms with people crying and going through big things like today I had to talk I had a

Matt Noonan (15:27.595)

for sure.

Jey (15:40.442)

um calling people calling crisis and working on call like it's a whole it's a very draining process while also rewarding but it doesn't balance like how do you can't just hard to balance those things within the workplace it's nearly impossible because it's like well go and drain yourself 40 hours a week while giving well we're also not going to give you any time or allotment and we're just going to tell you well go do it on your time

Matt Noonan (15:51.039)


Jey (16:07.678)

when our time is very limited working till five, six o'clock at night to actually have a desire and want to go and do those things. So yes, I 100% understand, but we, that thinking should already be there. Our CEO and CFO, I think are in their 40s. So they're not old or outdated thinking. The CFO is a former physical therapist. Additionally, we preach it. So we should be practicing it.

Matt Noonan (16:16.541)


Jey (16:37.49)

And healthier people are also more productive people, because they have the energy, able to listen, their minds are sharper. So they're able to actually think and have a higher cognitive awareness to be like, oh, well, here's a solution, I think might work. And they're able to give so much more to the client. And the client's able to take so much more of that away. Because if I'm sitting with you and you're my client, and I'm like, well, you know, Matt,

Matt Noonan (16:43.779)

for sure.

Matt Noonan (17:07.305)

Yeah, falling asleep.

Jey (17:07.722)

try this thing. Like if I'm tired and you can obviously see I'm tired, you're going to feel like, oh, I'm draining him. I can't talk to him. But if I'm like, Matt, look, let's try this. I think this would be a great idea. And you can feel like it's energetic. It's authentic. Instead of me really trying to pull it or I'm drinking a monster or something during our meeting and then taking a deep breath and trying to force the energy through my veins from that can real quick in the moment.

It's a big difference in the authentic authenticity of that. And so that's kind of my thing. It's an immediate payoff almost within 30 to 90 days for most people.

Matt Noonan (17:40.915)

Yeah, and it's it.

Matt Noonan (17:48.35)

Yeah. And the thing is, too, like what with your profession, with like what I do, there's also, there's a lot to be said with just parenting in general, right? Like there's a lot to be said by leading by example. Like if you're standing in front of somebody advocating, hey, train, do this, do that, like lead a better life, but you know, you are not showing the physical signs of

Jey (17:59.99)


Matt Noonan (18:18.49)

uh, you're disingenuous in the advice that you're giving, right? Like it's, it's like, there's, I heard somebody, I can't, whether I can't remember whether I heard it on a podcast or I read it somewhere, but it's like, and they were talking to like personal trainers, right? And it's like, you need to be a billboard for what you do. Right. And it's like, that's, that's where it starts. Right. So if I'm talking to you and I'm like, Hey, you know, I'm not going to be the type

Jey (18:37.517)

I love that.

Matt Noonan (18:48.19)

you should go and you should do a bodybuilding program and eat just meat and vegetables and eat this and like you know we're going to calorie count and we're going to do all this because that's not me like I'm not that coach. What I am about like as a coach is like hey let's get you moving better let's get you moving well let's get you functioning and being the type of physical person that you want to be because that's what like that's what I do and now the methods and the means that we're going to get there may be slightly different.

But that's also because you're not at the starting point that I am now. So I'm and my ability as a coach is dictated by my ability to meet you where you're at, not and then, and then move you forward from there, rather than me talking down at you and saying like, this is what, this is what I need to do. This is what I think you should do. And da, and you know, get on my level or get, get out. It's more about, Hey, like, you know,

I know what's going to work for you where you're at. Let's get this going. But it's not like the end goal is what I referred to there. And it's the same with like, you know, like it's the same with parenting, right? It's like they're not going to listen to what you say. They're gonna see what you do. And it's like, if we're trying to advocate, it doesn't matter what it is, whether it's temper management, communication, living a healthy lifestyle.

Jey (20:05.846)


Matt Noonan (20:15.538)

If you are telling your kids something and you're not doing that yourself, there's a disconnect with your actions that they're going to pick up on like that, which is going to create confusion around what you're telling them to do because their minds haven't matured to that point yet where they're able to differentiate between words and actions. It's like, hey, you're telling me that I need to get outside and I go and run around, but you're not getting up off the couch and doing anything.

Jey (20:25.726)